Yesterday Offstumped waded for the first time into the troubled waters in Kashmir over the Amarnath Shrine.
The controversy seems to have reached a breaking point with this ultimatum from Mufti Mohammad Sayeed’s PDP.
Stepping up pressure, PDP on Thursday said it will stand by its commitment to pull out from the coalition government in Jammu and Kashmir if the controversial order of diversion of forest land to the Amarnath shrine board is not revoked by June 30
One could have dismissed this brinkmanship as election eve of parting of ways from an unnatural arrangement of political convenience that had outlived its usefulness. But then look at this rhetoric
PDP will not allow this cultural and political vandalism and it is ready sacrifice everything to protect and preserve the eco-cultural heritage of Kashmir,” said the statement that was signed by senior party leaders Moulvi Iftikhar Hussain Ansari, Nizamuddin Bhat, Murtaza A Khan and Syed Basharat Bukhari.
National Conference leader A R Rather was lying blatantly and people want to know from him about the circumstances which compelled the party to enact a law authorising Shri Amarnathji Shrine Board (SASB) to encroach Kashmir soil
It is not Offstumped’s case that the State should have a role in running religious institutions, this has been discussed and explained earlier.
Offstumped’s concern is the logic being advanced by the PDP, echoing the sentiments of the various separatist outfits that seems to imply that the Amarnath Shrine is somehow alien to Kashmir and any expansion of its activities was?”cultural” and “political” vandalism with the ?”eco-cultural heritage” of Kashmir.
This absolutely lends credence to the core Indian objection to the separatist movement in Kashmir that it was always based on a narrow Islamist sectarian view of what constitutes Kashmiri Identity in which the Hindu Minority and its Heritage is viewed as “alien” and “external”.
Offstumped Bottomline: This is Muslim Majoritarianism being advocated by a mainstream political party in Government with no semblance or parallel to anything in the rest of India?that is routinely described as Communal by the High Priests of Secularism.
This raises many troubling questions on how the Indian State should go about addressing the problems of Kashmir, not the least of which is
If this Islamist rhetoric is mainly from a a vocal minority of Kashmiris or if this is a sentiment shared by the silent majority ?
Do the Congress and the National Conference have the courage and conviction to make this an election issue to engage the silent majority of Kashmiris or will they wilt to the pressure from the PDP and the separatists ?
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I for one am glad this is happening, the Islamists should also come out more openly in assam and W Bengal with their ethnic cleansing intentions. Let the Islamists overplay their hand, so that the ever-hibernating hindu civilization can finally wake up, seperate peaceful muslims from the jihadis, and we can take the battle to the jihadis.
Aryan,
I agree with you, i was just thinking the same. But i think in assam the normal guy knows this, it is just that the BJP and the AGP screwed up by not going for an alliance, looking the overwhelming vote percentages in assam and add up AGP and BJP share, the congress fate would have been sealed. I think they have woken up, the people still sleeping are the intellectual bengalis, i think they are still living in kumbhakarna world.
Sometimes I am forced to think that India should redivide J&K on communal line and separate Jammu and Laddakh from Kashmir. At least we can establish a good purely Indian government in Jammu+Laddakh and that area will not be a problem zone. So that army and other strategic agencies can chanellize their energy in Kashmir only.
What do you think?
Guys,
I wonder how long should we tolerate the descension of every political discourse in India into communal abyss.
Who will challenge the hersey propagated by the so called secular media? I was horrified to see the selective visuals of BJP and BD activists protesting violently in Jammu while peaceful Muslims are just running like angry mobs. No damage to property being shown but yet 3 deaths due to police firing in Srinigar. How can one explain peaceful protesters being shot by Police? Commie media is taking India into the road destruction.
In NDTV this woman Maya Mirchandani shows Indian Map with half kashmir as part of Pakistan and Aksai Chin as part of China. If NDTV is politically correct when it comes to issues of religion where is their political correctness when it comes to MAPS although it is a crime to show such maps in INDIA and doesn’t necesarily warrant political correctness. I hope some BJP guys take NDTV on. It is sedition. These NDTV and CNN-IBN should be decimated if given a chance. They are poisonous and are characterless. They have no allegiance to country and our constitution.
By the way when are we going to get a pro-BJP pro-Hindu televsion??????
Isn’t it time that these views are challenged visually?
Chakresh,
No way, we will never do what you said here, and if at all that day comes, let them take kashmir along with all indian muslims, thats it, enough of this. If you want kashmir take it, but take the burden of the 150 million muslims along.
I sorta agree with chakresh. Its too much trouble to have Kashmir. I say hold an election and let them go to where ever the hell they want to go.
It will be annexed by Pakistan or turn into Islamistan. Maybe then they will miss India.
I agree with Aryan – I am glad that we are now seeing the true face of islamofascism.
The so called Kashmiriyat which valley leaders are so proud of spouting is of no value if it does not include the Kashmiri Hindu heritage in it. Hinduism has been a part and parcel of Kashmir’s “eco cultural’ heritage much before Islam came and by refusing to recognise that, PDP has unmasked itself as being nothing but a stooge of the separatist forces.
What NDTV showed as Map is a fact since India doesnt have the whole of Kashmir anyways …part of it is with Pakistan and some part with China. We first need to accept this and then see how we can move ahead in finding an everlasting solution to this problem. Whether India wants to take those parts back or not is another issue but the fact remains that India is not in possession of the whole of Kashmir state. I notice lot of views being expressed here now and before also with regards to the future election and how BJP might change things but I find that this view is only shared by the netizens.
We are a minority here who we feel BJP will be better than this present government which is at the mercy of Left. I have been on the field asking the people who go and vote about their opinons and right now its mostly the urban people (ones who vote) who want the change more than the rural and semi-rural voters. There I find they are more inclined towards the regional party rather than any of the national parties. Going by the current trend though BJP will gain seats in the next years election at the cost of Congress seats it still might not enough to get them a majority. As far as left goes even if they get 30-35 seats they will still act as kingmakers and try to subvert any verdict as history proves.
The only solution is to make / convince those people who dont vote and those who dont care to vote to somehow vote so we get a decisive verdict. Since last election most people in urban cities go on family holiday during the election days.
Guys…..
This is a old story and dates back to the pre partition days of our mordern history.
Then M A Jinnah, played such dirty tricks, such as :
He asked the British that the state of Junagadh,Bhopal,Hyderabad etc to be handed over to Pakistan as their rulers wanted it . He steadfastely refused any plebdicite for above states.
Like wise when Kashmir came up, he wanted the British to act on Basis on the MAJORTITY population and decide.
It was Sardar Patel who looked thru. this game and advised Nehru to let Jinnah bark.
Mufti Mohd. Sayeed is a traitor. Lets not fret over this idiot. We have a good chance of a true NATIONALIST government coming to power anytime now.
All will be fine then.
The real problem with INDIAN mentality is that they don’t really understand the real crux of the problem If INDIA claims J & K to be their own part let it decide its own future by having plebsite (acording to UN resolution47) to put an end to the menace.
During last few days around 8 people have already been killed,while around 300 are injured.Molestation is the trade mark of INDIAN army.
As far as Amarnath controversy is concerned history stands testimony to the fact that there has never been any kind of communal voilence in kashmir in past(in contrast to INDIA).It is just that we are demanding that it (amarnath yatra)shoud be under the scrutiny of our KASHMIRI HINDU BROTHEREN,and that we can not sell our land to a foreign tyrant occupant (whose sole aim is butchering,slaying,raping,looting,burning properties,so on so forth)
@Mudasir
y u need rioting when you got the jihadi license to cleanse the entire non-Islamic demography in the state.
Mudasir,
“As far as Amarnath controversy is concerned history stands testimony to the fact that there has never been any kind of communal voilence in kashmir in past(in contrast to INDIA”
You would need two communities for riots to occur, obviously if you kick out all the hindus there would be no riots, just like in pakistan.
“It is just that we are demanding that it (amarnath yatra)shoud be under the scrutiny of our KASHMIRI HINDU BROTHEREN”
you mean the ones lying in the refugee camps in delhi and jammu ? I’m sorry you must have confused this site with another dhimmi media site, we are not pseudo-secs to buy your islamic-negationism arguments.
“and that we can not sell our land to a foreign tyrant occupant (whose sole aim is butchering,slaying,raping,looting,burning properties,so on so forth)”
Wait till the Modi comes to power all your wishes will come true =)
I believe the correct characterization of PDP approach should be:
This is Muslim Exclusivism being advocated by a mainstream political party in Kashmir…
@Murli,Vin
I did not mean to say that we should hand over the muslim majority kashmir part of J&K to Pakistan. I was saying that divide J&K in two states under Indian union and contain the problem of Anti-India mentality in one potential state rather than both of them.
This will also strengthen our claim over J&K as we will show the world that J&K is internal matter of India, without saying a word on diplomatic tables.
Yossarin, you and your readers will hopefully find this of interest:
“How many “Hindus” would it take to change the demography of Kashmir?”
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/28/kashmir-demographics/
Thanks Shantanu for the link.
On the contrary, chakresh, I would say, expand J&K to include Bihar while keeping the constituencies and seat count etc in a new combined state assembely.
That way, suddenly, J&K becomes Yindoo majority.
And the new legislature, when it meets, can vote on
(i) whether Article 370 should be retained for this new J&K state and (ii) whether the capital needs to move to a new location, like, say, Patna?
@mudasir habib…..
AS my pal Aryan has already said , JUST WAIT TILL NARENDRA MODI BECOMES THE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA.
Just wait!
You and your type are responsible for this state of affairs in the country today.
GUYS…LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TROLL HERE
Guys…..
Here’s the truth :
“Controversy over Amarnath land allotment poll gimmick?”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Amarnath_land_row_a_poll_gimmick/articleshow/3173849.cms
As usual Bastard Mufti Sayeed and his ugly looking daughter Mehbooba are at it to gain an upper hand over Ghulam Nabi Azad.
Reading this and Mudasir ” The Troll” here on this forum, I AM CONVINCED THAT THIS IS TO RAKE UP THE COMMUNAL ANGLE AND REVIVE THE LARGE SCALE VIOLENCE IN THE VALLEY.
Mudasir is paid STOOGE.
Hey Mudasir…..Kya yeh shadyantra hai tum jaise logon ka?
By Rajiv Sikri
Pilgrims deserve better
It is distressing and alarming that communal tension is rising over the decision of the Jammu and Kashmir [Images] state government to transfer a little less than 40 hectares of land to the Sri Amarnathji Shrine Board to enable the latter to provide accommodation facilities to the thousands of Hindu pilgrims who visit the Amarnath shrine every summer. One cannot expect separatist and militant outfits in Jammu and Kashmir to make a sober and mature appraisal of the larger issues at stake. It is the attitude of mainstream political parties that is most disappointing and worrying.
The specious grounds for the the Peoples Democratic Party’s objections are that the implementation of the decision of the state government would change the “eco-cultural character” of the state. What is the nature of this eco-cultural character of Jammu and Kashmir that is so fragile that it cannot survive the transfer of a small tract of land? Does the Kashmir valley have only a “Muslim” character? What happened to the much-touted Kashmiriyat? Or is that a politically correct platitude that has become an inconvenience to be ignored now that most of the Kashmiri Pandits have been hounded out of their homes in the Valley to Jammu, Delhi and elsewhere in India? Kashmiri politicians owe it to the rest of India to clarify their position on this issue.
To my mind, whether or not the land in question should be transferred to the SASB is only a technical question, not the heart of the issue. The more important thing is whether the state government feels that it has an obligation to improve the facilities that would make the pilgrimage of thousands of Hindu devotees more secure and more comfortable. For centuries pilgrims have been making the arduous trip to Amarnath cave without the benefit of any facilitation by the state. They relied on the local people for food, accommodation and other facilities. They lived in tents. But a caring State in independent India can and should do more.
It would be instructive to see what the Government of India does for Haj pilgrims visiting Mecca and Medina. The government is, in the words of External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee, “committed to ensure that the best possible arrangements are put in place for the comfort and well-being of Indian pilgrims to facilitate their sacred pilgrimage.” The “welfare and well-being of Haj pilgrims,” he says, “is always a matter of utmost concern to the government.”
In keeping with these public policy statements, the Government of India makes elaborate arrangements for the welfare of Haj pilgrims and strives to improve the facilities provided to them every year. That is how it should be. The Government of India, and the ministry of external affairs in particular, deserves credit for providing perhaps the best arrangements that any government makes for their Haj pilgrims.
And what exactly does the Government of India do? For starters, it provides an airfare subsidy to about 100,000 pilgrims selected by the Haj Committee of India who go for Haj annually. Pilgrims pay only Rs 12,000 for their air travel. This figure has remained unchanged for at least a decade or more.
According to official figures, this subsidy was Rs 280 crores in 2006, or about Rs 28,000 per pilgrim. Today, with rising fuel prices, this figure would have gone up to Rs 350-400 crores. Although there is a 2006 Allahabad high court judgment ruling against this subsidy, it continues to be given because the government got the Supreme Court to pass a stay order.
Add to this the losses suffered by Air India, and the inconvenience to passengers because its planes are diverted to carry Haj pilgrims. For the convenience of pilgrims, charter flights are operated directly from 16 airports in India to Saudi Arabia. Returning pilgrims can transport 10 litres of holy Zam Zam water with them free of cost. At Delhi airport there is a separate Haj terminal. To improve the comfort of pilgrims, Air India has been advised to use wide-body jets in future for their Haj flights.
Great attention and care to Haj matters is given at the highest levels of government. The United Progressive Alliance government has successfully lobbied with the Saudi government to increase the quota for pilgrims from India, as a result of which the annual quota has increased by 38,000 over the last four years. It will go up by a further 3,000 or so this year because of the exertions of External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee during his visit to Saudi Arabia in April this year.
There is a separate Haj cell in the ministry of external affairs. The Haj Committee of India has its own premises in Mumbai. Similarly the State Haj Committees have their own premises in various other Indian cities. These facilities have been built on land provided by the state governments.
Very high priority is given to Haj matters in the mandate given by the government to both the Indian ambassador in Riyadh and the Indian consul general in Jeddah. Every government in Delhi has ensured that only Muslims are appointed to these posts, a practical decision intended to facilitate their travel to Mecca and Medina, where non-Muslims are not allowed. There is also a separate consul for Haj matters in the Indian consulate general in Jeddah.
Accommodation in Mecca and Medina is decided keeping in mind the need to provide maximum convenience and comfort to the pilgrims. Typically, all accommodation has lifts, telephones, running water, electricity and telephone at the minimum. There is total computerisation of pilgrim location and movement. During Haj, a large contingent of seasonal local staff, supervisors, data entry operators, as well as drivers and messengers (whose job is to round up and bring home safely elderly pilgrims who may have got lost) is appointed by the consulate general of India, Jeddah, during the Haj period.
For Haj 2007, a contingent of 115 doctors (including 63 specialists with post-graduate degrees) and 141 nurses and other para-medical staff, 3 coordinators, 46 assistant Haj officers, 165 Haj assistants and 186 Khadimul Hujjaj were sent from India on short-term deputation to Saudi Arabia. Special attention is given to medical facilities for the pilgrims.
Some of the facilities provided by the government are: arrangements for polio, meningitis and influenza vaccinations for pilgrims before departure; a 75-bed hospital and 12 branch offices-cum-dispensaries in Mecca; a 15-bed hospital and 6 branch offices-cum-dispensaries in Medina; three medical teams at Jeddah airport to provide medical care round the clock to Haj pilgrims; 17 ambulances in Mecca and Medina; supply of medicines, medical supplies and critical medical equipment from India. All this adds up to the total money spent by the government to facilitate a hassle-free Haj pilgrimage each year for tens of thousands of Muslims from India.
Perhaps our self-righteous and petty Kashmiri politicians in India’s only Muslim-majority state should reflect over these facts and tell us whether they think it is at least their moral if not political obligation to be more caring and sensitive to Hindu pilgrims visiting Amarnath. If we can do so much for Indians going on a pilgrimage abroad, should we not be able to do as much if not better for pilgrims at home?
For a start, should not the Jammu and Kashmir government at least try to match the facilities given to pilgrims to Vaishno Devi shrine, which is located in the same state? And is it too much to expect our politicians and other “secular” leaders to be a bit more courageous and vocal in trying to knock some sense into the heads of shortsighted and irresponsible Kashmiri politicians?
As those in power, both in Delhi and Srinagar [Images], ponder over this matter, the litmus test has to be whether the decision finally taken adds to the comfort and convenience of the pilgrims.
Indian citizens and taxpayers deserve honest answers to the questions posed above.
End of the drama:
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/29/no-land-for-yatris/
There is an interesting take on this issue in this blog (saurav-basu.sulekha.com). This blog also addresses some topics of relevance today.
Mr.ARYAN & OTHERS
Yes,It did hapen at some places that some hindu brothern were killed in the valley(which is a black mark for us),but was never the way you conduct COMMUNAL violence in INDIA.That is why our Pandit community is marching back to the vale,it never had a communal out look,moreover GOVT.OF INDIA was anthusiastically involved in creating havoc in the valley.
“Wait till the Modi comes to power all your wishes will come true =)”
Should we consider this as REAL FACE OF DEMOCRATIC INDIA.For ur kind information we have been under the such MODI’S since 1947.This is what we call trade mark of INDIA.
WHY IS INDIA AFRAID TO PROVE IN BROAD DAY LIGHT THAT KASHMIR IS REALLY ITS INTEGRAL PART BY LETTING US DECIDE OUR OWN FATE(A PLEBSITE).UN HAS PASSED VARIOUS RESOLUTION IN FAVOUR OF KASHMIR RESOLUTION THAT KASHMIRIS HAVE A RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION.THIS WILL BE A GOOD IDEA.
I would like to see comments on this from my indian brothers.
dont use these biased kind of language iam a student i need to learn.
i apreciate what is posted by Mr.ARJUN(i think this is a good way present ones view)
THANKING U IN ANTICIPATION
Does anyone have the Educational list of our EEditors like Prannoy,Rajdeep,Mehta,Barkha ,sagarika.
i read somewhere Prannoy of NDTV was actually “SPEECH THERAPIST” and bcoz of inlaw Prakash Karat got chance in doordarshan….
about other i feel they may be just BA/MA in English or may be History.
Speaking English dont make them intelligent as in England even SWEEPER MAID speaks/write better English.
Dear Mudasir Habib, The idea of a Plebicite has been formulated by Pakistan politician as a last ditch effort to a cause which they have lost in all possible ways.
I am presuming you are a pakistani and a student so I will try to educate you. What if we claim that the states of Balochistan & NWFP do not want to be a part of Pakistan and a plebicite should be held there to decide what people want. We all know that Peshawar & queta the two major cities of the two mentioned states are bombed by ‘jehadis’ every other day, killing innocent people. We all know that the hardline taliban of Afganistan are running away from afganistan to these two states and any plebicite today may result in a decision that may shock pakistan. The people there have been so brainwashed & scared by Taliban that they will gladly vote for a new country to save there lives. Same is with Kashmir. The Politicians of Pakistan & the ISI has constatntly infiltrated Kashmir since 1972 & used every tactic in the book to influence the Kashmiris. Mind you, if plebicite was the answer to all problems, Texas would have been a separate country.
The thing that pains us Indians is the way the politicians of our country have handled the situation. After winning the war in 1971, Indira agreed to Article 371 for Kashmir in 1974. Its total managemnt & administration failure of our politicians. The only reason why Kashmir is a live issue even now is because Pakistan is considered to be a major ally of USA. when BJP came to power, they changed that within 3 years by claiming USA & India to be natural allies & exposing Pakistan. And then we went ahead & voted Vajpayee out.
One More thing, Mudasir Habib,
you wrote “Yes,It did hapen at some places that some hindu brothern were killed in the valley(which is a black mark for us),but was never the way you conduct COMMUNAL violence in INDIA”
Its amazing how you are trying to trivialize the issue of ethnic cleansing that took place in Kashmir. A lot of people write about Narendra Modi and what he allowed to happen but that is nothing compared to what happened in Kashmir. Hindus were handpicked by muslim hardliners and requested, threatened to leave Kashmir. And if they did not, were killed, until there were no Hindus left. Even Modi cannot do 5% of what was done in Kashmir.
Also you wrote “……our land to a foreign tyrant occupant (whose sole aim is butchering,slaying,raping,looting,burning properties,so on so forth)”
First of the ‘whose sole aim is butchering,slaying,raping,looting,burning properties,so on so forth’ is such an old tactics used by Muslim religious leaders to mislead innocent Muslims. These words are not only used in lieu of Kashmir but also all other countries where ‘jihad’ is going on. Second, if you are a kashmiri, you should be really thankful to the “foreign tyrant occupant” aka India for protecting you. Look at Pakistan used & abused by all including USA, Russia, China since the last 40 years. Where would you be if you were not with India. One of the Hindu Intellectual rightly claimed on National TV some days back that had Kashmir been in Pakistan from 1947, they would be speaking Punjabi & not kashmiri.
Baat karta hai
Y,
posts like mudasir’s balaji’s can better be deleted right away. It largely affects the very spirit of the thread and also starts off a fresh wave of diversion off the topic.
The troll’s pathetic english gives it away as a Papistani troll.
‘Engaging’ it is worse than a waste of time.
What the Kashmiri muslims did to Kashmiri pandits is way beyond any civilized norms. Threatening letters and phone calls to leave the valley leaving their women behind? And its just a ‘black mark’? Aack-thoo.
Know that Kashmiri muslims have a huge chip on their shoulder. Their bad karma won’t wash off so easily. Where will they be when Papistan collapses and Article 370 is gone? What China took decades to achievce in Tibet – a demographic chnage – Delhi will achieve in Kashmir unwittingly in a couple of years once 370 falls.
That day is certainly coming. Let us celebrate it together.
/Have a nice day.
This is especially for the troll here, but this will also be helpful for all of us Dharmics to know what Kashmiri Muslims did to Kashmiri Hindus.
Please watch this 2 part series, if you have not done so before:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYLzqrRqb0
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4JCGeQqqQ
Can this troll, Habib, name a country in which the citizens of majority faith live like refugees in their own country, while minority gets to establish Haj houses all across the country and goto Arabia on taxpayer’s money (contributed mainly by Hindus)?
Mudasir Habib….
You are a Muslim, just speak to any Paki Pashtun or a Balochi and you will realize in 2 minutes, what is good for you…India or Pakistan.
This talk about AZAD KASHMIR is bull shit. Your leader Sheikh Abdullah ( who was actually a PANDIT), too knew that Kashmir cannot survive without India, he tried during the 50′s and 60′s to gain autonomy and his eyes opened after Bangladesh ( Then East Pakistan) ceded to be an independent state.
Kashmir had not problems till 1989, it was tourism haven, we Indians have paid a lot of money for the development of Kashmir and we certainly dont deserve the attitude of the people of the valley.
If taking back the order on the land to SASB is KASHMIRIYAT, then this is COMMUNAL it self.
Shut up and go to a University and learn the history of Kashmir, it will tell you that the land was a Hindu land and thats why you guys had a Hindu king.
EDUCATION IS WHAT REQUIRED FOR YOU PEOPLE….
Another thing : ABOUT NARENDRA MODI being the PM of India.
Trust me, that will be god send for India, why we are saying it, is not because he is a Hindu, but because he is a leader with a foresight.
Again go personally to GUJARAT and speak to the Muslims over there, TODAY, see their response…..
You guys are so blinded by the bull shit that the media reports that you want to shy away from the truth.
Muslims in Gujarat in a recent survey have said that they have never so happy in their entire lives, then under the rule of Narendra Modi, that they feel compeletely secured and have actually increased their income.
This is prosperity and this is why we want Narendra Modi as the head of our government.
if this story is true then its Shocking to see how Democracy is raped in J&K by congress
http://www.timesnow.tv/Newsdtls.aspx?NewsID=11048
ITS A VICTORY FOR BHARAT
THE CONGRESS GOVERNMENT FALL IN JAMMU KASHMIR
Guys,
Wait and watch..This has been started by actual will of Lord Shiva. Soon the people not supporting India will be separated.
Every Incident has a cause..
Cause is apparent.
Resolution will be soon as by revolution.
Jai Hind.
Dear Naveen thanx for the cordial reply
First of all Iam a kashmiri(not a pakistani).It is the claim of Indian administration that Kashmir is their integral part,but the ground reality is altogether diffrent.
Now see the situation ever since 1947 in kashmir,Mr Nehrhu while he paid a visit to kashmir in the same year at KHADIBANDAR(at zaldagar)& at PATHER MASJID(at zaina kadal)promised kasmiri people to have PLEBSITE.The way u interpret kasmir issue in terms of BLOCHISTAN ,NWFP & TEXAS is totally out of question (this shows that u even dont know abc about the kashmir issue as well as its history).
I was just a kid in 1990s,what i have witnessed since my childhood is simply beyond explaination.
It makes me hearty laugh,a person sitting in other part of india,totally fed by its own corrupted media claims the archive & interpretor of kashmir situation.See the situation ,
INDEPENDENCE STRUGLE OF INDIA was labbeled as TERRORISM by BRITISH while the same was called as freedom struggler by the natives.
BUTCHERING & SLAYING is what i wittnessed all my life.plight is a light word to describe condition of people.BOYS WERE TAKEN TO CUSTODY TO BE RAPED(10′s of such stories),WOMEN & CHILDREN HARRASMENT IS A COMMON PHENOMENON.(has ur media ever highlightened it,except very very very few (good journalism))
IF YOU BELEIVE ME JUST 13 DAYS BACK I WAS WATCHING FROM MY WINDOW A PROTESTOR WAS REWARDED A FINE BULLET TO HIS HEAD IN FRONT OF MY EYES & I STOOD THERE HELPLESSLY (so shall i accept ur argument in the light of HISTORY & CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE).What could be said about the mindset of people (like
martin ,sud,nk………)Do u think we find ourselves secure with this mindset.
u said
“Hindus were handpicked by muslim hardliners and requested, threatened to leave Kashmir. And if they did not, were killed, until there were no Hindus left. Even Modi cannot do 5% of what was done in Kashmir.”
Check the figures how many were killed(hardly 150),ur GOVERNOR OF THEN (jag mohan)had a good share in that.Still you boast of this meagre event.Tell me which revolution in the world did not have such mischevous elements(hardliners)(what about ur INDIA).But we people very deeply regret even this incident,it was just like cutting our own part.
u would realize if u show EMPATHY with us.
HOPE TO SEE UR COMMENT ABOUT THIS
thanking in anticipation
mudasir,
you say the number that was killed was 150,
the people out here could possibly respond whether that is true,without posting any links.
mudasir,a handful of people out here are full of themselves,especially sud.
the majority of the people of india are in empathy with your situation.
a few insecure souls who fanatically support the bjp are what u have seen here.
the author of this blog has nothing to do with the bjp,which twists every thing into religious terms and constantly harms the people.
im sure that u will also tell something about the improved situation,before the amarnath problem.
samurai
>>…the majority of the people of india are in empathy with your situation….
I can’t believe…:-/ that we’ve to endure this kinda cr** over here on this forum…this sort of condescending & holier-than-thou attitude…
Moderator…could you plz issue a troll-alert for Balaji, Samurai & their other avataars?
I m sure these ‘bleeding heart liberals’ would more than be happy to sacrifice themselves @ the alter of 3Ms if n when the time arises…just so as to prove their ‘sickular-mindedness’!
rc,
empathising with a people who have lived through almost two decades of violence is viewed by you as a holier than thou attitude.
mudasir is talking about real life unlike the fantasies of cr** like u and the guy who calls himself sud.
Samurai
>>empathising with a people who have lived through almost two decades of violence is viewed by you as a holier than thou attitude….
Yeah sure…people of your ilk only can empathise with people who’ve lived thru two decades of violence…(read Kashmiri separatists)…n not Kashmiri Hindus, who given the political-correctness in vogue, have turned into a topic never to be discussed…only rant day-in-day out as to how the Muslims are suffering….no talk about how terrorists, fundamentalists, extremists seem to originate from that community only!
rc,
ur myopic vision of viewing everything through religion is due to inherent insecurities and is shared by a very few.
you have to blame the bjp for creating it in you,for their electoral success.
kashmiris means the people of the entire state of kashmir.
some of them are in exile and most of them have lived under the shadow of the gun.
mudasir is talking about the foolhardiness of some of the people over here including you.
Look who is talking and what are they saying!!
(Posting in full as Pioneer doesn’t archieve)
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/06/26/amarnath-exposes-kashmir-faultlines/
PDP is mouthpiece of Pakistan: Congress
Mohit Kandhari | Jammu
It took more than five years for J&K Congress leaders to muster enough courage and do some straight talking when it came to exposing the real face of Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), one time alliance partner of the Congress in the State, before the electorate.
Pushed on to the backfoot by the BJP-supported Shri Amarnath Sangarsh Samiti in its stronghold, State Congress leaders on Friday broke all barriers and labelled PDP as “the mouth piece of Pakistan”.
The Congress leaders, without mincing words, also sent a loud and clear message to the party high command warning it against entering into any kind of alliance with the anti-national PDP. The tone and tenor of the political language used against its one-time ally shook a few close friends of PDP patron in the Congress.
“Former Governor SK Sinha had very rightly described PDP as an anti-national party. Most of the time PDP leaders, including its chief Mehbooba Mufti, propagate agenda of Pakistan on the Indian soil. “Mehbooba is frequently visiting Pakistan. What is kept there for which she rushes to Pakistan,” former Deputy Chief Minister Pt Mangat Ram Sharma told a gathering of Congress workers during a day-long convention.
Sharma, in a bid to position the Congress in the driver’s seat, successfully diverted the attention from the current political turmoil gripping Congress leaders in the State. Using harsh language, he targetted the PDP leadership for blatantly promoting the agenda of Pakistan on the Indian soil. “The PDP first borrowed formula of Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf and coined slogan of self -rule, then they build demilitarisation campaign and went around everywhere chanting these slogans, tried to garner support of Kashmiri masses by raking up the proposal of introducing dual currency and joint control across the line of control.”
“We do not want to see their faces and do not want any alliance with the PDP. We recommend to the PCC chief to convey our sentiments to the Congress high command that we do not want any kind of alliance with these anti-national people in future as well,” Sharma said emphatically amid loud cheering by party workers.
Mounting a vociferous attack on the PDP, several other Congress leaders joined the chorus with the senior Congress leader and, in one word, discarded PDP.
They also accused it of stabbing the Congress in the back and labelled it as a mainstream militant outfit. Responding to the statements of Congress leaders senior BJP State vice-president Hari Om said, “It is height of political debauchery.”
On one hand, the UPA Government is transporting PDP chief in a special aircraft to win her vote during vote of confidence and on the other hand State Congress leaders in the presence of Union Minister and PCC chief label it as an anti-national party and mouthpiece of Pakistan. He said the Congress was all along hand in glove with the PDP and ran its coalition Government. “Still they have not learnt any lessons. The same Congress wants to save its Government at the Centre by joining hands with the anti-national party,” he added.
Oops, I wanted to post this link:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=STATES&file_name=state8%2Etxt&counter_img=8
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Only solution for Kashmir issue is this. Separate Jammu and Ladakh from it. Then, settle tough army veterans in Kashmir valley. Pro-Indian militia groups can be formed by these army veterans. Just like Russia is doing in Ossetia, India can “Grab” land by these settlers. Those Muslims who want to go to Pakistan should go to Pakistan.
Hi Mudasir,
Everytime you used, “YOUR INDIA” or “YOUR COUNRTY”, I felt a deep saddness. I am sure for all indians Kashmir is an integral part of our country like any other state. My heart beats very much the same when i think of you people as it if for any other indian.
I wonder how come majority of people in J & K want to move away from Indian Republic. It’s not important to which religion one belongs, what is important is how happy we are together. And i really donno y people try to separate or demarcate a territory based on religion or faith.
One thing should be observed. When we are born, we are not born into religion first, we are born into the feeling of one land, one nation. And for centuries all states from the subcontient were together, though ruled by different kingdoms, practising different religions, languages, customs and rituals. All this things should not be considered for a national concept.
You can practise kashmiriyat being an indian like rest all indians are continuing their regional cultures and identities.
You are talking about Nehru’s word for plebiscite and the life u have seen from your childhood.But that is after 1989. I think Kashmir was pretty peaceful before 1989, the time from which militant extremism started and spoiled the lifes of the people. And you may be fully aware, who are the cause and sponsors for that extremism.
Then again fully knowing and seen the course of pakistan’s jouney and achivements since 1947, how come you people want to be with them? Is that going to give you a peaceful and hormonious life?
Habib, even if u think of religion, life for muslims in india is very very better conditions than the muslims in muslim countries. I myself have lot of muslim friends, who feel very proud to be “Indians”.
And let me tell you All indians from other countries wish for peaceful and properous “Indian Jammu and Kashmir”, where people from any part of india and any religion, language can go anytime and live happily along with you guys(kashmiris).
Vara prasad