Pragmatic over at his blog on INI links to this interview by Syed Geelani.
‘Osama [Bin Laden] Has Come Only During the Last Few Years; People Like Me Have Been Fighting For This All Our Lives’
Offstumped will not waste discussing Geelani’s interview here, instead lets examine all those Indians of the resident and non-resident Indians who all have been batting for Geelani’s cause which in his own words is no different from Osama or Al-Qaeda’s?cause.
First the India Civil Society
Arundhati Roy, Prem Shankar Jha, Javeed Naqvi, Sanjay Kak, Dr. Aparna CPI (ML) New Democracy, G.N. Saibaba? Revolutionary Democratic Front, Retd. Justice Rajinder Sachar People?s Union for Civil Liberties, Gautam Navlakha People’s Union for Democratic Rights, S.A.R. Gilani Committee for Release of Political Prisoners
Next Simranjit Singh Mann
Then of course this pack of psuedo-intellectuals that Sandeep calls Non Resident Mischief Mongers
Dr. Angana Chatterji, Dr. Shubh Mathur, Dr. Srimati Basu, Dr. Purnima Bose, Dr. Amitava Kumar, Dr. Swapna Mukhopadhyay, Dr. Richa Nagar, Dr. Vijaya Nagarajan, Dr. Mridu Rai, Dr. Sabina Sawhney, Dr. Simona Sawhney, Dr. Kalpana Rahita Seshadri, Snehal Shingavi, Dr. Ajay Skaria, Sandeep Vaidya, India Solidarity Group (Ireland)
Finally our own homegrown “progressive liberals” from Vir Sanghvi to Kushwant Singh?all of who deserve a short refresher on Syed Geelani’s cause
“The creed of socialism and secularism should not touch our lives, and we must be totally governed by the Koran and the Sunnat (precedents from Prophet Mohammad’s life).”
we must fight against anti-Islamic forces. These forces come in our way under the garb of nationalists, secularists, racists, linguistic chauvinists, and so on
So here is Offstumped’s advise to all of these apologists for Syed Geelani’s cause
Get out of the closet of socialism and secularism and embrace the Sunnat to be governed by the Koran else Syed Geelani is coming after you as soon as he is done with the nationalists in Kashmir
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I bet if you analyze each of these guys individually they have these things true -
Some of them do not follow Hindu religion, like Gilani (hence antoginistic towards Hindus), some were born Hindu but are married to non-Hindus – Testa for example (and not only they have gone out of their religion to marry, a very personal decision for them, but I guess they went out because they hated their own religion to begin with), some have parents that followed the different religions (like Arundhati) or have kids that have married out of hindus – L Ramdas (ex Indian Navy admiral, his daughter is married to a Paki). These guys are anti-Hindu, socialism is just a façade, an excuse to espouse their venom. Then of course there are communists like P S Jha (he is from Darbhanga area of Bihar which has been a CPI stronghold since independence).
Most of Hindus in India – 99.999999%, i.e. 82% of India marry in their own religion, but surprisingly Indians that speak for Hindus, 99% fall in the above category that I mention.
What gives?
Thanks
You mention Simran Jeet Singh Mann, the erstwhile ex-IPS, who if I remember correctly was trying to escape India thru Nepal and was arrested on the border, sometime immendiately after the assassination of Indira Gandhi in ’84. The guy was charged with treason, for deserting his post (wonder what came out of those charges), and was later transformed into a rogue & fanatical element in Punjab politics. His antics regarding entry into Parliament immediately after winning a Lok Sabha election in ’89, insisting on carrying kripan into the LS hall, and his support & backing for any cause that might lead upto the disintegration of India, amuses me no ends. He has become a joker & should now be confined to a looney bin. I guess age seems to be catching up on him. Also, as a side note, his party gave ticket to Bimal Kaur Khalsa, widow of Beant Singh (one of the guards who assassinated Indira, alongwith his buddy Satwant Singh by pumping 64 bullets and then dropping-off their weapons and lifting their hands in surrender, telling the security personnel, surrounding the greviously injured PM, “ki hamne jo karna thha kar diya, an jo tumhein karna hai, tum karo!” – “we did what we wanted to do, now its your turn!”), who won the LS election from Ropar constituency. This kinda thing can happen only in my Bharat Mahaan…imagine Lee Harvey Oswald’s (the guy who ‘assasinated’ US president Kennedy in ’63) widow getting elected to US Senate or Congress!
Get out of the closet of socialism and secularism and embrace the Sunnat to be governed by the Koran else Syed Geelani is coming after you as soon as he is done with the nationalists in Kashmir
LOL!
This thing reminds me of the Khilafat Movement. Gandhi supported the Muslim mobilization on the Khalifa issue so as to gain the favour of Muslims in the freedom struggle. Suddenly, after the Khalifa was abolished by Turkey (Muslims themselves), all of them found themselves staring at the middle finger.
Now its the turn of our very civil “civil society” to appreciate the sight of the middle finger.
Sorry this is out of topic not sure where to post as it is difficult to navigate through the blog. the page is very large so it becomes very slow.
Wondering if you any of you guys having this issue
kamal – thx for the feedback have fixed the landing page
what a cheap argument Yossarin. since when did Kashmiri cause get identified with Geelani? instead of these silly rabble rousing why do don’t you try finding any honorable and legitimate reason why India should continue to occupy Kashmir.
http://sify.com/news/columns/fullstory.php?id=14748260&cid=13180904
Hey Ram: Let’s give away Kashmir
Ramananda Sengupta
And for those who tout our democratic traditions, they need to know that:
Democracy must work for the 500 million people of the Gangetic plains too.
Democracy means that we must punish, not reward, ethnic cleansing.
Democracy means that we must not allow a Waziristan next to Himachal Pradesh.
Democracy means that we must not allow appeasement of the worst human rights abuses.
Democracy means that we must treat all religious groups “equally.”
Democracy means the state has the right to do whatever it takes, including the use of brute force, to check elements that threaten it.
Whether it is the Kashmir Valley militants or the Naxals, anyone who believes that force, violence and attacks against specific groups helps their cause must be taught, forcefully if needed, that it does not. Because otherwise we could say that the extreme Hindu groups also are a people’s movement against Muslims, so, should we now allow them to target and kill Muslims?
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14745911
It’s Jammu vs Kashmir — finally
Arvind Lavakare
Psuedos, jehadis , terrorists do NOT yet fathom what has hit them in the form of Jammu Uprising.
Just watch- how these people are taught mother of all lessons. It has hit them hard- very hard.
How about azaadi for Hindus from pseudo seculars?
Hail Balaji!
Where did you disappear you enlightned one? Your comments and arguements here has me totally entralled what an IQ . Your Excellency Balaji , I would like to solicit your support in getting freedom for our colony.
Our colony houses 115 flats and the total population is around 1000 , our association has passed a resolution to ask for freedom from the repressive country called India and we would like to solicit the help of such liberal minded hi-thinking intellectuals like you sir in this regard. Sir , from your writings here I have become your ardent fan and please sir take this request seriously and help us.
Sir I would also like to mention that our colony members are as distinct from other indians as a rat is from a cat in culture, traditions, rituals , belief and faith. We can pay your airfare and hotel charges sir if you would kindly accept our invitation to come to our colony and do a study tour and once you are convinced we can plan our strategy to get freedom. We have sent numerous requests sir to the government authorities to grant us freedom but alas everything has fallen on deaf ears. We are peace loving people sir and we cant tolerate this atrocity any longer. Kindly let me know a way to contact you sir.
Thanks so much your excellency
Ramu Players
like dave barry would have said, all of them named may have photos of them they may not want coming out in the open. i really can not think of any reason that can make anyone act that silly and stupid and shame themselves in public.
away from this topics We have NOT seen any Comments from Congress on Amarinder Singh Ex-CM, Expulsion from Assembly.
Is this NOT a BIG ISSUE considering so much sound is created on Expulsion of BJP MP….
Another issue recently Police of Haryana under Congress govt. fired killing Women Professor.
Is this NOT an issue Bigger than Professor SABHARWAL……
In fact NO one even knows the name of that WOMEN professor.
FEW PROMINENT NAMES MISSING IN LIST OF CIVIL”intellectual” SOCIETY (ACTUALLY may be at present they are busy in some Fashion Show,AIDS Charity With Richard Gere etc……
Shabana AZmi + Javed Akhtar(Nachne Gane wali as said by Imam Sahab)
Nafisa Ali.(Ex-Miss India)
I still fails to under how they are called INTELLECTUAL in Society
Guys tone down the rhetoric and tone up the response (Not to say that pseudos should not be given a tough time on this blog
). The Lok Sabha and Assembly elections are round the corner, we should discuss strategies and actions to be undertaken so as to make this election a referendum on Nehruvian pseudo secularism vs the nationalism. All nationalists be ready the time has come to repeat Jammu throughout India. Glory to India and its children!!
Great speech by former aussie PM on growin conerns of muslim terrorism
‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.
Then Prime Minister, John Howard â?? Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’
‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’
‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’
‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’
‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’
‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’
‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here.. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, Indian citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths
Ganeshotsav: Fatwa against Salman, family
IANS 13 Sep 2008 12:10:00 AM ISTMUMBAI: Veteran Bollywood scriptwriter Salim Khan, the father of actor Salman Khan, Friday questioned a fatwa, religious edict, against him by some Muslim organizations for celebrating Ganeshotsav at their home here.
Now where are the secular intellectuals and scholars(shabnaz aazmi,javed akthar,teeeeesta etc) who should condenm such acts ?
Don’t you get it? The list of people you mentioned and lots of other not-yet-mentioned lists primarily contain Bengali Intellectuals. These guys, I can tell you, are the best ever you can get for brain-washing. Look at my channel – 70% of the journalists and creative writers are certain type of Bongs. They worship atheism. I heard (not from my wife) that these hardcore atheist Bongs feel superior to their native counterpart who are struggling, begging and attending Mamta’s meeting in the midst of that dead city known as city of joy. They hate Hinduism as they were taught in secular schools that “Die Religion ist das Opium des Volkes”. Unfortunately the Muslims go to Madrasas so they don’t get this; thus effectively making a time-bomb of disastrous proportion. I never tell them how to write a report on BJP/RSS but the hate comes automatically to them. It really amazes me how simple is my job after getting these numb-nuts. Rest of India can ill-afford to ignore these guys. I can prophesize (if you allow me) that India will be in flames again because of Bengal and its intelligentsia. This state created the modern India by providing unending streams of nationalists to fight against the Raj, now it’s sending the hardened secular liberals so that the earlier job can be undone. Btw, I would love to capture those future events on my channel.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080913/edit.htm#4
No vivisection of India
The case against azadi is water-tight
by Sushant Sareen
It is therefore time that India starts “thinking the unthinkable” to end Kashmiri separatism. If the case for Kashmir’s Azadi rests only on numbers, then let us change the numbers in Kashmir. If this means settling people there from other parts of India, then so be it. Kashmir is no anthropological laboratory that must be preserved from outside influences. The law forbidding non-state subjects from settling in J&K was a law made by the Dogra kings (so detested by the Kashmiris today) to protect their own interest. There is no reason why this law should not be repealed and Kashmir thrown open to every Indian — Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian —who wants to settle there. At the same time, any Kashmiri who considers Pakistan the Promised Land should be allowed, nay encouraged, to go and settle there; just make sure to shut the gate after they cross over.
Check the Post from “Dawn” …Pakistan’s Leading New Paper…
http://dawn.com/2008/09/13/top1.htm
An rare admission of the fact that militancy in Kashmir is handwork of militants/Groups(Al Badr) of Taliban based in Pakistan …
sharat, I think the link got expired… the website as well does not yield any article on this… can you provide a google cache of this article?
Just saw and heard about the delhi blasts . When will the government take stern action on security of citizens . I almost feel a time will come like the movie “Wednesday “when common people will be tempted to take law into their hands and not only tackle those in Jail but also the ” politicians ” who do not take any action on these blasts.
How long will the common citizens of the country put up with this?
Hey latest news..4 blasts in delhi..3 dead 20 injured..
The current central government has shown NO political will to fight the terrorists. What a shame.
The Merchant Of Death strikes back..
Narendra Modi: India at the Crossroads of History
The Country stands at the cross-roads of an important phase in its life when the government of the day has become a threat to the unity and sovereignty of India.
Historically the RSS, Jana Sangh and the BJP were parties of aggressive nationalism. The Communists, the Muslim league were subversive in their stand on issue of sovereignty and integrity. The Congress had a traditional centrist position on these issues.
During the past few years, the drift in the Congress has strengthened the forces which are out to weaken India. Congress under Mrs. Sonia Gandhi & Dr. Manmohan Singh have drifted the traditional Congress position on national sovereignty.
Analyses of the Congress / UPA functioning reveals the following ten issues were the UPA has seriously compromised national interest. This Government has tried to assault symbols of our national and cultural pride.
1. This government has been soft on terror. It has consistently sent a signal that its softness on terror is minority friendly. The repeal of POTA, the non execution of Afzal Guru, the refusal to give assent to the State level anti-organized crime laws are all evidence of the government’s softness on terror. The softness on terror is being used by the UPA as an instrument for vote bank politics.
2. The government has bowed to its allies in agreeing to the demolition of the Ram Sethu. This was done essentially to hurt the majority sentiment in the country.
3. The decision to withdraw allotment of land to the Sri Amaranathji Shrine Board was an evidence of the government bending backwards to appease the separatist. The UPA government wanted to please the separatist even at the cost of alienating the nationalist.
4. The illegal immigrants from Bangladesh continue to invade India. The Government of India and the UPA don’t perceive these illegal immigrants as a threat to the sovereignty and demography of India. They prefer to use these immigrants as a vote bank.
5. The Supreme Court quashed both the IMDT Act and “The Foreigner’s (Control) Order Amendments” since they were intended to make detection of Foreigners’ impossible. The UPA has failed to introduce a proper mechanism for foreigners’ detection.
6. Three constituents of the UPA, the Samajwadi Party, the RJD and LJP have openly supported SIMI and the Congress continuous to maintain a relationship with them.
7. Religious conversion by missionaries is been protected and increased even though it has an adverse impact on demography and creates social tensions. The proposal to grant reservations to Dalit Christians and Muslims is intended to incentives conversion.
8. The Sachar Commission recommendation intended to introduce Communal budgeting in India and initiate reverse discrimination against the majority are now sought to be implemented.
9. Religion based reservations have no place in our Constitutional system. Yet the UPA has been trying to introduce religion based reservations in states ruled by the UPA.
10. The Indo-US nuclear deal seriously compromises national security in as much as it limits our testing option particularly when China and Pakistan have nuclear potentials.
For all things Modi on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/user/vandegujarat
The terrorists are blasting away the innocent citizens of India while this SUPER SECULAR government is in deep slumber. Or are they the special Avatar of NERO.
The moment someone is caught, the so called human right activists and supporters of the UPA start screaming for them. There seems to be a sinister design in all of these. These people are working as PROs or outside supporters of these terrorists. Have we not seen in many other cases these worthies blabbering that “the law will take its on course”. Why then any muslim is caught they shout otherwise. Are they someone special ? It is better these worthies should be asked to produce immediately the culprits, for they must be in know of all these as they forcefully deny the involvement when someone is caught.
But from the UPA government what else we can expect. They have to protect their interest and get some votes for the next election.
When some power hungry, un-principled, shameless, double talking bunch of people come together hoodwinking the people for the sake of power and pelf, the common citizens will be at the mercy of terrorists, anti-national and anti-national elements.
It is time these terrorists are dealt with firmly. Tit for tat is the only answer. Apply Mao’s dictum “Power grows out of the barrel of gun”. Power used in the general benefit of the common citizen, even if some aberrations occur, can very well be justified. It is better than inaction, leaving the citizens at the mercy of these terrorists.
Real Name of Arundhati Roy = Suzanne Arundhati Roy, a Catholic Christian, daughter of Mary Roy, a women who caugght media attention because of some Feminazi propoganda shit,, does not know her father.
There are lots of Xtians hiding behind Hindu names. Yes Sir Desai, I agree about the Bong Lobby. 85% OF NDTV and SAHARA, 90% OF George Soros 9X, OF TOI, are alos composed of BONG LOBBY, from the most gutter state of Bengal. Did not till S.C.Bose appeared on the scene, Brits and McCauley used the same scythians to mind wash India. They were busy creating Asiatic Society, Brahmo somoj (samaj), Rationalist society to lick the feet of their White masters (just like Sagarika, Pronoy, Burqua etc…, like father like son).
In restro it seems that Suharwady of ML was the best CM for them. It served them right. Why MAINOs chamcha GoondaRaj not target them.
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I am copying this from a link at rajeev srinivasan’s website. Good stuff. Slightly off track but just wanted to bring it to people’s attention.
(This is a response by Dr. Arindam Bandyopadhyay to the article by By Mr. Karan Thapar, “Who”s the real Hindu?” Hindustan Times, August 30, 2008)
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Also visit: Response by Ms. Chanchal Malviya to Karan Thapar”s article
Yossarin,
I have been also been calling the bluff of “India’s Civil Society” for ten years now. In my interactions with them I have found it important to be technically correct. For sake of accuracy; this bunch has batted openly and in an organized fashion for SAR Geelani. The interview you have linked to is of Syed Geelani. These are two different individuals. The former is in his thirties and has been accused and then acquitted on charges of masterminding the attack on India’s parliament. The latter and the voice in the interview is aged in his high seventies; he is a prominent separatist leader from J&K, he favours the accession of Kashmir to Pakistan.
In a larger sense of course, the Geelanis are two sides of the same coin. But you will not catch India’s civil society with their pants down with inaccurate allusions.