Three years on we mark yet another 6oth anniversary as the Indian Republic celebrates its Constitution.
It was amusing to note the senile mindset with which Delhi based media elite have responded to the 60 years of Indian Republic but Gujarat Chief Minister and BJP Leader Narendra Modi stole the show with this jumbo parade celebrating the Constitution.
The 60th anniversary of the Republic is a good opportunity to revisit the Constituent Assembly debates. (It is a shame that on the 60th anniversary the link to Constityent assembly debates on Lok Sabha website is broken).
Some Offstumped posts from archives on the Constituent Assembly debates.
Revisiting the Idea of India – Independent, Sovereign but not Socialist ?
Shveta Chhatra – Towards a Functional not Ceremonial Presidency
Muslim Reservations – 60 years on
B.R. Ambedkar’s sagacity on the Constitution
Dharma 401 – Extracts from Constituent Assembly Debates
Ambedkar and Constitutionality
Founding Fathers – Elect Prime Minister by Direct Adult Suffrage
60 years on it must be asked why the Constituent Assembly debates have not found their way to popular school curriculum. In fact one would hazard to suggest a reading of select extracts from the Constituent Assembly debates must be made mandatory reading for High School students.
One sees in many a culture a re-enactment of historical events that defined the character of great nations. It perhaps is also time to encourage schools to re-enact episodes from the Constituent Assembly to drive home the point on the sanctity of the Constitution and how it came to be trashed during Emergency and beyond.
In closing some justice needs to be done to the title of this post.
There is a perceptible disquiet amongst the Delhi based media elite who have for long exercised a monopoly on opinion in the public debate. With their attempts at editorialising news with a psuedo-progressive slant now under severe challenge, they have taken to the good old leftist game of slander by label if not by libel. So first you have Vir Sanghvi writing this calling the Internet generation elitist. Then after this response from Rohit over at Retributions, Sanghvi writes this on the Internet generation. The ever excitable Sagarika Ghose taking the cue
The disgusting communal stereotyping notwithstanding it must be said that Sagarika Ghose’s fulminations and Sanghvi’s confessions betray a growing disquiet in the Delhi based leftie media elite, that they are getting challenged by a generation of internet savvy nationalist Center Right Indians who defy the psuedo-Hindutva stereotype. Hence this new label Internet Hindus.
So thank you Sanghvi and Ghose for labeling us Internet Hindus, we will wear it on our shoulders with pride to remind you of the Center Right movement that shall end the psuedo-progressive monopoly on politics and policy drawing inspiration from Dharma and Constitutionality.
Filed under: Constituent Assembly, DesiPundit, Progressivism, Shveta Chhatra
Are Sagrika and Rajdeep not Hindus? or they are just having Hindu names?
How many people are there with Hindu names, but doing Anti-Hindu activities in Media and Politics?
Anyway I am also proud to be Internet Hindu.
Brilliant. I loved it. You articulated my sentiments, you voiced my anger. They described the Internet Hindus as if they are untouchables. In fact, the phrase was coined by Sagarika more with a mischievous intent. I was always proud to be a Hindu, now I am proud to be an Internet Hindu.
Commonman27
Kolkata
Yes, I am too a proud Internet Hindu.
I am an Internet Hindu who does not believe pseudo secular trash of CNN-IBN,NDTV,HT,TOI and Outlook.
I am an Internet Hindu who knows what is wrong and right.
I am an Internet Hindu who has stopped watching all the channels and get information from the center right blogs such as offstumped.
I am an Internet Hindu who is not a prostitute of western church money. We love our country and religion and we will swarm after you like bees if
you ever malign Modiji.
I hate you Hindutva Apologists in Internet. Stop spreading hatred. Get a life.
let me ask what is Hindutva?and a personal question, do you have a life?
Isn’t NDTV an entertainment channel? I would put their news reports on par with The Onion or The South Park. It is just for amusement purposes only.
Sagarika isn’t senile. She is just offering some good humour for us to laugh. Don’t you think so?
@Prakash: Let those bleeding-heart liberals be. They just cannot take truth. More often than not, something that is politically incorrect is true. And unfortunately, our bleeding heart liberals can’t take it. It isn’t their mistake. Blame our social studies textbooks in school for it for the foundation. Blame our news channels for the further development of such loonies.
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Well said, Yossarin. Proud to be an internet Hindu.
The limited intellect of Sagarika Ghose seems unable to match the Internet Hindus. So they go do what they do best, labeling people.
The fact that she runs a TV show shows the quality of journalism in India.
Arjun,
Well said. In fact all the TV channels are indeed that. But a more disquieting question is do they reveal the IQs of ordinary Indians who watch all this crap, which is labelled as news or entertainment. why are there no good channels coming up. Why is the quality of all entertainment so poor? I dont have any answers to these questions. I think an average Indian is really smart, but cant understand how they digest all this crap.
Do i see all Internet Hindus reorganising around at Offstumped like old times?
All Internet Hindus of the Internet, unite at Offstumped in the year 2010 to re-liven the magic.
From here to power !
Jai Hind. Jai Internet Hindus
Its difficult to comprehend why there is so much minority appeasement my everyone in media, I can understand the reson for pseudo-secular parties doing it, but why this is there, in general public….why they can not be faithful to themselves, to their own culture………
Are they ashamed of the culture evolved over long period of 2000 years, took an articulate shape before any of the modern religion came into existance…?????
I think nothing can be done except to lament over it……..
Sagarika had also written some stupid review of 3 idiots. Her articles, whatever the subject be, always leave this impression of her trying too hard to sound different. Totally bugging!
Why do Internet Hindus chatter so much about Freedom of Speech
Anyway, in the BJP the core team is being rescheduled? So AAL IJ WELL now
After that it might be : AAL IJ WAIL !
In other news, no compulsory voting in Gujarat. Sagarika O my Gosh, would be delighted. Unfortunately, she does not realise that she has missed a thousand “Poor Muslims not allowed to vote” stories !
[...] crafted response to Vir Sanghvi’s mention of a mysterious Blogging Elite and the other, a gentle but firm rap on the media’s superiority complex represented again by Vir Sanghvi and Sagarika Ghose (whose [...]
This write up follows the usual tactics. Set up a straw man, and then attack it.
Where did Sanghvi/ Ghose attack or ridicule ordinary intelligent Hindus? If you read those columns it is very clear they are referring to those individuals infesting the internet with their rabid sectarian views purportedly in defense of Hinduism, Sanathana Dharma etc. Are they any different from the violent extremists from other communities or religions?
And those claims of their being right-of-center or conservatives! Conservatism is about values, not about religious fundamentalism (of any color). These are clear and simple religious fundamentalists. And the hypocrisy of pretention that they love Modi for his governance..
Matts – dude who set up the “Internet Hindu” strawmam ?
Oh Sagarika! If only her intelligence matched her looks, TV would have been so much more interesting.
If only our parents hadn’t had this doctor-engineer complex, we would have a very different visual media today. Difference being competent and level-headed commentators.
Proud to be a Hindu, even more proud to be an Internet Hindu. Jai Hind!
Yoss:
On an aside
When are u going to do a post on ‘The curious case of 4 CMs of Meghalaya’?
Indeed this “doctor-engineer complex” has led to an army of timid followers focussing on risk-free returns.. 9-6 employment… whether in India or abroad …. in turn allowing these JNU dhakkans to dominate and (mis)lead our media.
These sold-out hindus (if they call us internet hindus) in the media can speak fluent English , but totally lack intellect to analyse or understand things which are good for the nation and the society.
The chalu pretentious few of them do lip service to such causes to attain popularity, but have hardly got any moral strength to pursue or follow such issues with belief. As soon as their typical “I love India” talk show ends, having attained new records for TRPs , its time to discard all novel pious ideas and start sending notices to some of the not-so-friendly Internet Hindu bloggers … chameleons back to their real colours …
If ever the media transforms and attains a sense of impartiality and balance in future , the current phase/times of the Indian media will be looked back upon/remembered as the Dark Ages of the Indian Media where almost every publication would be judged to be corrupt, biased, hollow, shallow and abnormal …cheap opportunistic chamchas of Congress party and totally devoid of any principles …
OS, ‘Internet Hindu’ is not the straw-man here. The Straw-man is the ‘false idea that any criticism of the Sangh Parivar or the fundamentalist fringe is an attack on Hinduism and Hindus’. ‘Internet Hindu’ is not a bad description of the angry lot who floats this idea and indulges in this tactics.
It is interesting to observe this lot. They seem to spent all their waking hours on the internet, scouring every nook, cranny, and crevice of the Net to garner supporting material for their growing anger against the ‘enemies’ of Hindus and Hinduism. The hilarious part is their pretension that they are ‘right wing conservatives’, while the fact is that they are pure and simple religious fundamentalists.
A careful observer will see that they end up speaking to each other, visiting each others blogs and posting congratulatory comments on the wisdom of the blogger of the moment. They are so taken up with their pet theories that they do not notice the dwindling hits, the waning public interest. It is a dying campaign whose time has passed. It is like a progressively narrowing circle, and these guys are like fish in a pond that is fast drying up.
@Mats..nice wishful thinking bro. Whatever brings u more peace of mind and makes u feel less paranoid
Mat,
Good try but no cigar. Wonder which group spends more time creating facts and false history. You may be happy to remain the white man’s poodle but there are others who are not who prefer to write and interpret our history. Since you think you are a liberal, you should not have issues with this one. Or perhaps the fundoos are more liberal than the so-called liberals. Tragedy of our times!!!
All these so called liberals, will regret one day. Islamic fundamentalism has spoilt young minds and has devastated lot of countries through preaching wahabism in madarasas. Very soon India will join list of countires where nobody will have freedom of speach including matts, sagarika or Vir sanghvi.
[...] label “Internet Hindus“, by the admission of those who coined it, should have nothing to do with either [...]
Brilliant piece – balanced, fair, and backed by logic.
@mats -> Your claims are rather subjective and do not stand up to scrutiny. For example, aren’t you also spending your waking hours on the Net? If it’s true that the non-communal folks (i consider pseudos like you to be very communal) do spend more time on the Net, that would perhaps be because while most of the media is already working on your behalf. We dont enjoy that privilege.
@Arun -> You start by professing your own hatred for those who disgaree with your warped worldview, then make an appeal to stop the hatred. Get a grip, dude!
Thanks to the Internet, the average Indian finally has a platform where she/he can be heard. This has all the elitist media walaahs and other closet traitors on the run. And I am lovin’ it!!!
She is just plain irritating English speaking snob, who tries really hard to come across as an intellectual alas she fails ever so miserable every time….one thing is sure she would go to her grave with this snob/ ignorant “I am oh-so superior” attitude and till she has her padamashree husbands channel she will be in you face yelping all the time ……..
meanwhile if anyone has missed it please check out this video of her being screwed literally by Mr Ram jethmalani…….. it does provide me with such pleasure lol.
[...] the media elite leading some to coin new labels to stereotype these vocal Minorities as “Internet Hindus” and “Secular Right [...]
well written.
JaiHind, Jai Internet Hindu.
I donot mind if sagarita ghose and vir sanghavi like muslims but they hate Hindus and Modi. Modi did not do anything to them.All these media hate for Modi is mindboggling.These psudosecular press and media is going harm India beyond imagination.They are again going to break up India in Hindu and muslim entity.
[...] The original paragraph can be found here. [...]
How much money is required to start a news channel??
Can’t we collect from donations and other sources to start a news channel to show people the truth and get back them on right track.
Make an organisation to collect a healthy sum of money to start a Hindu channel.
Good job!lets create a new revolution from this.
GOOD IDEA. LET’S START.
Lets move ahead and make revolution.INTERNET HINDUS are to STAY.
Very Good suggetion / idea to start a new secular hindu news channel to show the truth
am a proud internet Hindu
Jai Bharath Mata
I am an Internet Hindu and proud of it. It’s not about bashing other religions. Definitely not. and Hinduism does not and has never believed in it.
I think it is time to start a news channel that’s unbiased and does not do a twisted spin like the “sickular” channels are doing now. Anyways, thanks to the internet the x% of English speaking people don’t take these channels seriously… They are just impressing their anti-Hindu bosses with their stupid messages.
This is the first way to shape a modern India… Let’s go!!
That is why I do not believe any kind of co-existence with Islam is possible in the long run. When their religion’s core teachings are that we Kafirs must be murdered, then where is the question of co-existence.
This also explains the sudden outbursts of extreme violence against Hindus we witness with frightening regularity. Be it the Moplah riots or the 1971 genocide against Hindus in B’Desh. The cause is the same – the chapters in Kuran and Hadith that simply exhort muslims to kill mushriqs (idolators) without any remorse because God himself wants it that way. How can you argue with such an ideology? How can you talk of co-existence with such an ideology? You can only fight with this ideology, with firm resolve to wipe it out of our land. We Hindus are most welcoming, most accepting, but we cannot accept our murderers! That would be suicide.
Yossarin, why do you keep removing my posts. In that case, I will wish you the best and stop visiting your blog.
Yossarin: You did reinsert one (but not all) of my deleted posts. Hence posting again.
Anyway, here is the program for direct action day (Aug 16, 1946), which led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Hindus. Note the reference to Islamic theology. Note also that this was likened to the battle between Islam and “heathenism” (the correct word in arabic is mushriq). Hindus are mushriqs as per Islam.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Programme_for_the_Day_(Direct_Action_Day)
This was the result. A dead Kafir.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/2659934/Hulton-Archive
So I return to the main point. You cannot argue or co-exist with an ideology which seeks to kill you after labelling you as mushriq. That is futile. The sooner we realize this, the better.
Of course, while they are less than 15% of the population, we can “manage” the problem. But not once they cross 25-30%. Their birth rates are far higher than our’s. They will achieve that percentage in about 2-3 decades. Then what? Another “direct action day”? ANother reference to Kuranic injunctions to kill kafirs? How many more before we realize the core problem – ISLAM.
There is no moderate Islam, though there are many moderate muslims. There is only one Islam, and that is anything but moderate. It is an extreme ideology of violence upon Kafirs. First let us admit that. Let us then weigh our options. That’s all.
During the Noakhali riots, the pattern of rape upon Hindu women was exactly the same as it always is when muslims reach a majority. This is not a coincidence. Islam is based upon Jihad – the doctrine of permanent “holy war” upon Kafirs. What is the carrot dangled before muslims to engage in this Jihad? It is primarily the women they capture. You see, Islam makes the women of kafirs a legitimate spoil of war. Kafir women are the “war booty” for which muslims fight Jihads.
Today, Shri Tapan Ghosh reported that a 17 year old Hindu girl has been kidnapped near Deganga by muslim youths. She is nothing but a “war booty” in the sick minds of these people. Just keep in mind that this will happen to a locality near you once the muslim % rises above 25%.
Let us not live in fool’s paradise, hoping that miraculously some “moderate Indian Islam” will appear. It won’t. What will happen is that Hindu women will DISappear. As they always do once the muslim population rises above 25%. Happening as we speak in 3 districts of West Bengal.
Thanks Yossarin for allowing me to express these concerns.
I would also ask readers to take a look at Jihad, as it is in Islam, and explain for muslims in this highly reputed “manual”:
http://kalamullah.com/Books/MashariAl-AshwaqilaMasarial-Ushaaq-RevisedEdition.pdf
It should answer many questions about this doctrine of Jihad, which is peculiar to Islam, and forms its backbone. Unless we understand this doctrine, we are really ill equipped to deal with Islam.
Once you understand Jihad, you understand Islam.
Yossarin: Don’t know how to respond to twitter (I am too old for twitter, believe me). Anyway, you made a comment about Vijayanagar. That empire effectively ended with the battle of Talikota in 1565. Upon the defeat, the Islamic armies completely sacked Hampi. Shivaji was 100 years later.
Now what is a 100 years, you may ask. To answer this question, let me ask you how long do you think it took the muslims to completely destroy the great Persian civilization and Islamize it. Guess. 2 years. Yes, that’s right. Just 2 years. So 100 years to Islam’s sword, is a LONG TIME.
Anyway, the worst years were probably not those, but the years of the Delhi Sultanate. If you read about Feroze Tughluq, Sikandar Lodhi and so on, you will really be proud of your civilization. We are Hindu at GREAT COST to the blood of our ancestors. Literally tens of millions perished, but kept this civilization alive.
Yossarin: ref your latest twitter comment. You are forgetting that South India also fell to Alauddin Khilji (or more precisely, his general Malik Kafur). You forget that Srirangam – the world’s largest functioning temple – had for a while stopped prayers and daily “maryada” after the Turkic armies ravaged the area. Is that not victimhood? from those ashes came the sage Vidyaranya, who inspired Harihar and Bukka (who were then wandering about like nomads) to fight to establish a Hindu rajya.
It is not as if the South was completely spared. Therefore, your comment is not entirely valid. And what happened to Vijayanagar ultimately – sacked just like the rest. Every idol desecrated.
Look, the Islamic sword did damage everywhere. What about Malabar and Tipu’s Jihads. How many died? How many temples destroyed?
Pl. don’t try to make this a north-south thing. Hindu civilization was attacked, with the explicit intent of destroying it, just as Persia was destroyed. Islam sought to make this dar-ul-Islam (the lands conquered and made Islamic). They failed. They failed because we Hindus simply wouldn’t give up. First it was the northern Rajputs. Then Vijayanagar. Then the marathas. But we kept on fighting these invaders and their “culture.”
I want you to continue the fight. Today the enemies are many, and many have Hindu names (Barkha Dutt, Romila Thapar, and so on).
Jai Shri Ram, and farewell.
- Sharada
“It perhaps is also time to encourage schools to re-enact episodes from the Constituent Assembly to drive home the point on the sanctity of the Constitution and how it came to be trashed during Emergency and beyond.”
As long as the Congress is at the center it will make it a point to align the nation’s thought to veneration of “THE FAMILY” and gradually dull all remembrance of the myriad freedom fighters.
What can you expect , when media makes it a point about highlighting the presence/absence of two MPs and that of the PM is a footnote? We are certainly a de facto monarchy if not de jure monarchy.
by
proud internet hindu.
@Sharada Bhonsle and Yossarin,
Just a couple of points about the comments regarding the Vijayanagar empire and the Persians.
1) With a couple of exceptions, Vijayanagar was always a shrinking empire. During the lifetime of Muhammad bin Tughlaq itself, the remnants of the Kakitiya kingdom mostly united behind the Musunuri Nayaks of Warangal, particularly Prolaneedu and Kaapaneedu, while the remnants of the Hoysala kingdom united behind Harihara and Bukka. The Yadava kingdom in the north was converted into the Bahmani kingdom, while the Pandya kingdom in the south was converted into the Madurai sultanate. Right from day one, Vijayanagar was fighting for its life, and many of the battles went against it. The Andhra kingdoms were overrun by the Bahmanis with the help of the Recherla Nayaks of Bhuvanagiri and Vijayanagar was left to fend for itself against great odds. Vijayanagar lost the regions north of the Tungabhadra to the Bahmanis, the west coast to the Portuguese, the trade went completely into the hands of the Arabs, Persians and later Portuguese because the Hindu merchants, who had been supplanted by the Arab traders during the Muslim conquests, withdrew from all naval trading enterprises (a side effect of this was the Islamisation of south east Asia – in particular, Hinduism was all but wiped out from the region) and the only reason it survived as long as it did was because Timur-i-lang had destroyed the power of the Delhi sultanate, leaving Vijayanagar only to contend with the comparatively weaker Bahmanis of central India. All Vijayanagar managed to achieve was survive. Apart from Kampa Raya’s destruction of the Madurai sultanate and absorbing the far south into the Vijayanagar kingdom, all Vijayanagar did was survive for roughly two centuries. Krishnadeva Raya’s success had as much to do with his own abilities as it had to do with the disunity in the Bahmani kingdom, when it split into the five Shahi kingdoms that were at war with each other. Vijayanagar was not the flowering of a culture – it was the last hurrah before the Gotterdammerung.
The other point about Persia needs a bit of explanation. Persia put up a stubborn resistance to Islamisation until well into the eleventh century. There, too, it is the same depressing story of massacres, coercions and systematic discrimination that brought about the conversion of the Zoroastrians and Buddhists to Islam. The smaller population of Persia rendered them vulnerable to Islamisation. It took nearly ten centuries before they were completely absorbed by Islam. Well into the sixteenth century, in the Safavid empire, we hear of systematic massacres perpetrated routinely against the Zoroastrians of Persia. Render them honour where it is due – they fought and fought bravely and were Islamised only slowly, and even then, preserved a considerable amount of their original culture.
@maidros sounds like a nice “original research”
@Ragu,
It is neither original, nor research. It is cold, hard fact. Just look at the maps of Vijayanagar in 1400, 1450, 1500 and 1565 and you will see what I mean. Of course, a quick look at the books written by K. A. Nilakantha Shastri or R. C. Majumdar (both honest historians, who wrote before Indian history writing was hijacked by the leftists) will convince you of the same.
@maidros I could take it for “history”. Hard fact? No. You may have your right to interpretation. I will keep mine to disagree.
[I have not read the books, so I will take it as a way to look at it, still]
Like internet Hindus, there are also internet Muslims internet Christians. Let the internet Hindu anxious syndrome secularists check the net for them. Every religionists stand for their religion in this world. Only Indian Hindu left pseudo secularists condemn their religion for the applause and petro, church dollars.
all the posts above by Devi Sharda Bhonsle are brilliant pearls of truth.my sincere pranaam to her.may she be the medium for destruction of this evil called untruth pooja.