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A Rejoinder to OutlookIndia on its 25 questions to Narendra Modi

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Sundeep Dougal writing in the OutlookIndia posed 25 questions to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi based on the testimony given by Mr. Modi to the Supreme Court appointed SIT.

Mr. Modi’s testimony was meant to be confidential but that has not prevented media outlets from leaking stories based on it. Earlier in the week the Hindustan Times leaked the testimony in its entirety on its website.

This is an attempt to respond to some of Mr. Dougal’s questions and to present a view that runs counter to the predominant narrative within a large section of the media. (For the record let it also be clarified that all the facts cited are from public sources on the Internet and are the culmination of a 7 year old blogging saga on how a one-sided narrative has been advanced on the 2002 riots.)

Question #1 – Mr Modi, in an interview on March 1, 2002, to Zee TV you said about the post-Godhra riots, “A chain of action and reaction is going on. We want that neither should there be action, nor reaction.” Don’t such statements echo the ‘earth-shaking’ rationalisations offered by Rajiv Gandhi after the 1984 riots?

Offstumped Rejoinder:  How is this rationalization, it was a statement of fact if one pays attention to the ground situation as of 1st March 2002.

Reporting on the events of 1st March 2002, The Hindu newspaper on its front page in the edition dated 2nd March 2002 had its own version of “Action-Reaction” (ironical since S. Varadarajan made such a big deal about it, perhaps failed to look at his own paper’s Newtonian reportage):

Despite the imposition of indefinite curfew, sporadic incidents of violence, group clashes and stoning continued throughout the night and during the day today in the walled city and labour-dominated eastern parts of Ahmedabad. But unlike Thursday when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash caused further worsening of the situation …. Police presence had little impact on the two communities pelting stones at each other in Bapunagar, Gomtipur, Dariapur, Shahpur, Naroda and other areas from where incidents of firing had been reported. But there were no reports of casualty. Pitched battle was continuing between the two communities late in the evening.”

Question #2 – A few days later, you told Outlook (Mar 18, ’02), “You have to remember that communalism runs high in Gujarat—even a small provocation can lead to violence and Godhra was a very big incident.” Did you not stoke that spark when it was decided that the bodies of Godhra victims would be taken to Ahmedabad?

Offstumped Rejoinder:

There is no factual basis to establish a cause-effect relationship between the transport of dead bodies to Ahmedabad and the violence of the 28th Feb.

The PTI on 28th Feb 2002 at 11:21 am carried this report from the Hospital where 54 out of the 58 bodies had been brought. The report carried a clear statement from then VHP Vice President Acharya Giriraj Kishore:

“hindus should maintain calm and keep patience. i appeal to muslim brethren to condemn the attack and ask them not to put hindus’ patience to test”

Hindsight is always 20/20 and correlation is not causation. As the PTI report clearly suggests there was no provocation but in fact an appeal to the opposite. We must also give reasonable benefit of doubt to the two reasons that are in the public domain for the transport of bodies. First the fact that curfew in Godhra would have prevented next of kin from seeing the dead. Second the technical reasons cited for accurate identification.

Question#3: You have denied the allegation that you instructed bureaucrats and senior police officers at a high-level meeting (Feb 27, ’02) that “in communal riots, police takes action against Hindus and Muslims on one-to-one basis. This will not do now; allow Hindus to give vent to their anger”—a statement attributed to you on record by then deputy commissioner, intelligence, Sanjiv Bhatt and slain minister Haren Pandya. Why do you think the charge persists?

Offstumped Rejoinder:

This is a bizarre question. The charge persists because it has been repeated a thousand times in a Goebbelesian manner. It is important to separate facts from hearsay.

First on Mr. Bhatt claims – We have no factual evidence to establish his presence at the said meeting. We only have Mr. Bhatt’s words. To give credibility to Mr. Bhatt’s word over the absence of evidence will need us to establish Mr. Bhatt’s credibility. Unfortunately Mr. Bhatt has no credibility given his long history of dubious conduct in office, the several cases pending against him and his silence for so many years. Mr. Bhatt has further damaged his credibility through the e-mail hacking and collaboration with leaders of the Congress Party all of which is in the public record. Thus to give weight to Mr. Bhatt’s word over the absence of any factual evidence is, to put it mildly, is to give in to a politically motivated conspiracy theory.

As for the remarks attributed to the late Mr. Pandya – Let us show some respect for the dead. Mr. Pandya was not present in the meeting. Any remarks by him about the meeting would be hearsay. Any remarks by a 3rd party repeating such claims would be double hearsay. It must also be asked why the said People’s Tribunal that allegedly heard these remarks in May of 2002 made no mention of them in its report of November 2002.

If we are going to engage in witch-hunts based on double hearsay we may as well give due process the go by here.

Question #4: Why did you single out Bhatt and say he wasn’t present at the Feb 27 meeting when you were only asked about those present?

Offstumped rejoinder:

It is clear from Mr. Bhatt’s affidavit which is in the public domain that he had been providing information to the SIT since November 2009. It is reasonable to assume that at the time of Mr. Modi’s SIT deposition in March 2010, the content of Mr. Bhatt’s claims was known to Mr. Modi. Far too much is being made of confidentiality here when leaks from SIT to the media had been occurring a full six months before Nov 2009. As an example on 28th June 2009 right after Teesta Setalvad’s testimony to the SIT the DNA in a story filed by Roxy Gagdekar reported a leak from SIT sources to the DNA on the contents of Teesta Setalvaad’s testimony.  Also on 7th December 2009 OutlookIndia carried a PTI story on specific claims by the activists against the SIT in the Supreme Court on the SIT ignoring an unnamed witness. The activists were reprimanded by the Supreme Court for those accusations. Clearly in the run up to March 2010 the SIT’s activities were hardly a state secret to the Activists. Hence there is nothing extraordinary about Mr. Modi singling out Mr. Bhatt. It is silly to make a mountain of leaks when the SIT’s reports continue to be treated with no respect for confidentiality by both the activists and the media.

Question #5Is it true that P.K. Mishra, your principal secretary, asked R.B. Sreekumar, then Addl DG (Intel), to confirm whether Haren Pandya was the minister who had deposed about the Feb 27 meeting to an independent citizen’s tribunal. Did he then, as the allegation goes, ask that Pandya’s mobile number, 9824030629, be tapped?

Offstumped Rejoinder – There are many problems with this question. First is its relevance to the violence of 2002 and Justice for victims. Whether Mr. Pandya’s Mobile was tapped or not tapped in June 2002 is irrelevant to the events of Feb 2002. A question of this sort is a fishing expedition and it is one reason why the line of questioning suggests conspiracy theory making more than a quest for Justice for the events of that day.

Mr. Pandya is dead, let us show some respect to his memory and leave him out of this conspiracy theory mongering. Let us do so noting that the said “independent citizen’s tribunal” made scathing accusations of Mr. Pandya itself accusing him having personally led mobs and provoking riots.

Question #6 – Given the suspicious circumstances of Haren Pandya’s assassination (Mar 26, ’03), and given that many point the needle of suspicion at your administration, what action has been taken to clear your name and find out who his real murderers are?

Offstumped Rejoinder – Any wild accusation can be made by anyoneMr. Pandya’s murder has been investigated by the CBI and prosecuted in the Courts. The acquittals in the case came after the Courts severely criticized the CBI’s botched case. Most recently the High Court has rejected a petition to reinvestigate the matter. The acquittals have since been challenged in the Supreme Court. Let us leave it at that. This question again has nothing to do with Justice for 2002 Riots. It smacks of conspiracy mongering when the matter has been the hands of Central Agencies and the Court system for years now.

Question #7 – You told the SIT that you came to know from newspaper reports that the BJP had ‘joined’ the call for a Gujarat bandh on Feb 28, ’02, and a Bharat bandh on Mar 1, ’02. For someone so clued into the party machinery, isn’t that a strange lapse?

Offstumped Rejoinder – The Times News Network in a late night release (past Midnight of 27th/early hours of 28th) reports the bandh call by the VHP. It makes no reference to the BJP joining the bandh. In fact it makes no reference to the BJP at all. There are also no other news reports from that day on the BJP joining the Bandh. Sheela Bhatt of Rediff reporting on the morning of 28th Feb 2002 describes incidents associated with the Bandh. Sheela Bhatt too describes it as a VHP bandh with no reference to the BJP. In fact that full report by Sheela Bhatt is a must read for it gives a very factual picture of how events unfolded that morning even as a Cabinet meeting was on and curfew had been imposed in one town. On March 1st 2002 the Times News Network has two stories one from Delhi and another Bangalore on the impact of the Bandh. Both stories describe it as a VHP Bandh with no formal reference to BJP joining it but for stray individual involvement. Hence it is perfectly reasonable if Mr. Modi subsequently learned of some stray BJP involvement from news reports in a Bandh that was all along described as a VHP bandh.

Question #8 – You claimed to the SIT that you had no personal knowledge of the presence of BJP ministers Ashok Bhatt and I.K. Jadeja in the police State Control Room and Ahmedabad City Control Room respectively (Feb 28, ‘02). Doesn’t this show some incompetence on your part?

Offstumped Rejoinder –It would make for a disturbingly paranoid Chief Minister to keep hourly record of the exact physical location of every one of his Ministers on a day with fast moving development and general chaos. As far as the matter of reasons for their presence, the duration of their presence and the impact of their presence in those control rooms is something the Nanavati Shah Commission will definitely delve into having already examined Mr. Jadeja. The final report is just one month away, we can suspend judgment on this until then.

Question #9 – You denied to the SIT that you knew ex-MP Ehsan Jafri—who died in the Gulberg Society massacre—or that he contacted you by phone and requested for help even as the rioters were at his door. Eyewitnesses, though, claim that he had spoken to you. Why do critics persist in arguing that this was a case of personal revenge and vendetta?

Offstumped Rejoinder – This once again is a bizarre question. Asking “Why critics persist in arguing …”  is something that needs to be posed to the critics for it is they who persist despite the lack of any concrete evidence on the same. As far as what has been leaked to the media of the SIT report goes there is no telephonic evidence of such a phone contact with Mr. Modi. Mr. Jaffri’s horrific death at the hands of a mob was unconscionable. The SIT is prosecuting the Trial effectively and a verdict should come anytime against those who were part of the mob. All this unsubstantiated talk of “personal revenge and vendetta” does little to the cause of Justice.

Question #10 -  Did your government slap the Official Secrets Act against whistleblower cop Rahul Sharma because he passed on explosive phone data records to the Nanavati Commission which showed that rioters were in touch with policemen and politicians?

Offstumped Rejoinder – Let us leave the slapping of OSA to the Commission Report to settle.

On the phone records – let us not forget that the said records have never been authenticated at source. CJPOnline’s website that carries PDF files of Individual Phone Records and Time-Location graphs clearly shows these are not original network records (GSM CDRs – Call Detail Records) but carefully constructed post-facto analyses by a 3rd party with no reference to the original data. In the absence of “source authentication” not much credibility can be attached to them. Even if we give 100% benefit of doubt to the authenticity of the records, we once again make the mistake of confusing correlation with causation. The fact that X called Y establishes nothing beyond X called Y. This smacks of classic conspiracy theory mongering.

Question #11 – The vindictiveness seems to have a pattern, considering the SC’s recent strictures against your government for initiating criminal proceedings against social activist Teesta Setalvad (allegedly for her role in the illegal exhumation of bodies of 2002 riot victims)?

Offstumped Rejoinder: Are you also accusing the honorable Supreme Court Justices of being complicit in what you call a “pattern of vindictiveness” when you reference the recent instance, for this is what media reports attributed to the bench:

This case is hundred per cent spurious. In other cases against the petitioner, there may be something,” said a bench of Justices Aftab Alam and Ranjana Desai”

Question #12 – Isn’t this also why a 21-year-old custodial death case allegedly involving Sanjiv Bhatt was resurrected and suspension orders issued against him?

Offstumped Rejoinder: One doesn’t need to see Mr. Bhatt’s from the 2002 prism. A simple google archive search of stories on Mr. Bhatt prior to 2002 will reveal his dubious record. As an example here is the case in Rajasthan High Court from April 2000 against Mr. Bhatt. Here is what the NHRC had to say of that case against Mr. Bhatt

The NHRC also, in its report in September 2010 considered it a case of “serious human rights violation” in view of the fact that the provisions under which Mr. Rajpurohit was falsely implicated could have fetched him 10 years of imprisonment”

Question #13 – It is alleged that compliant police officers during the 2002 riots were promoted and those who steadfastly did their duty were sidelined or persecuted. Many such cases have been widely documented and also brought to your attention. What action have you taken in this regard

Offstumped Rejoinder: This is a sweeping generalization. We can’t just go on and on with every disgruntled state employee and link their grouses back to 2002. There is no end or meaning to such an exercise.

Question #14 – You denied to the SIT that your ministers were involved in leading any of the violent mobs, but what action did you take when the alleged involvement of people like Bharat Barot, Mayaben Kodnani, Nitinbhai Patel and Narayan Lallu Patel was officially brought to your attention?

Offstumped Rejoinder: It is pertinent to point out  Mayaben Kodnani was not a Minister in 2002 but a local MLA. Between 2002 and 2007 there are several news reports that describe her as a rebel BJP MLA in the anti-Modi Keshubhai faction. Nevertheless Ms. Kodnani is on trial. Let the courts settle her fate.

There is no case against Nitinbhai Patel, no specific accusations beyond the odd story of Muslims voting en-bloc against him in 2002 due to his “alleged” role.

The Special Court on the Sardarpura Riot case had rejected witness statements on Narayan Lalu has being inconsistent while delivering 31 Life sentences. Strangely this story was carried by OutlookIndia on Nov 10th 2011

“While holding that there was no conspiracy behind the killings, the judgement said there are discrepancies in the versions of the witnesses on this point.

One of the witnesses claimed that former Godhra MLA Haresh Bhatt and BJP MLA Narayan Lalu had held a meeting in the village 20-25 days before the incident and distributed weapons, while another claimed that this meeting took place on February 27, 2002.

The court noted that even the investigating officer had rejected the contention that any such meeting had taken place.

The version of Basirabibi Shaikh, a witness, with regard to the alleged conspiracy did not corroborate complainant’s version, the judgement says.”

Question #16 – What action, if any, did you take after Tehelka’s Operation Kalank in which the likes of Haresh Bhatt, Babu Bajrangi and Rajendra Vyas, while narrating their ‘exploits’, implicated you and your administration?

Offstumped Rejoinder: You cant be serious ! Even the SIT and courts have rejected the Sting’s admissibility as evidence in a Trial.

Question #17 – Why was no action taken or inquiry held against officers of the executive magistracy, particularly the DMs who failed to initiate prompt action against the rioters, especially from Feb 27-Mar 4, ’02?

Offstumped Rejoinder: This is a sweeping generalization. A perusal of all the news reports from 28th Feb 2002 will show a mixed picture of action taken yet a scale of violence that clearly overwhelmed the system. The Srikrishna Commission Report on 1993 riots had come up with specific recommendations for action against negligent officers. Let us give the Nanavati Commission report the same opportunity and wait to see what it has to say of specific instances of delinquency, negligence or willful inaction.

Question #18 – You denied recommending pro-BJP/VHP advocates for appointment as public prosecutors. Then why was no action taken or inquiry conducted against the DMs who made such biased selections?

Offstumped Rejoinder: Let us give the Nanavati Commission report the opportunity and wait to see what it has to say of specific instances of bias.

Question #19 – You often boast that you do not discriminate on grounds of religion. On Sept 9, ’02, as part of your gaurav yatra, you made a speech in which you equated the Muslim relief camps with child-producing centres and used crudities like “Hum paanch, hamaare pachees”. Are you proud of such remarks?

Offstumped Rejoinder: Remarks taken out of context can sound crude and despicable. Let us not forget what followed those remarks. The Independent People’s Tribunal of Justices Suresh, Krishna Iyer et. al in its Report (Part 1, Page 266) carried an english translation of the audio recording of that speech via NDTV/Indian Express. Here is what followed:

Who will benefit from this development? Is family planning not necessary in Gujarat? Where does religion come in its way? Where does community come in its way? .The population is rising in Gujarat, money isn.t reaching the poor? What.s the reason? They make a beeline, fix cycle punctures (Audience laughs). If Gujarat is to be developed, then an economic system has to be developed where every child born in Gujarat gets education, manners and employment.”

Where is the question of bias or discrimination when Mr. Modi speaks of an economic vision for Gujarat where every child gets education and opportunity?

This is not spin from 2008 this is his much maligned election speech of 2002 !

Question #20 – It took the Gujarat HC to finally issue a contempt notice against your government for failing to compensate those whose shops were burnt down in the riots? Where was your ‘sadbhavana’ during the last 10 years?

Offstumped Rejoinder: It is pertinent to point out the contempt notice was issued to a District Collector and not to the Chief Minister’s Office, Cabinet or Cabinet Secretary. In an era where even the Prime Minister gets to distance himself from his own Office on Court strictures, to describe contempt notice against one District Collector as a “contempt notice against an entire State Government” is frankly bizarre.

Question #21 – The Gujarat HC also had to order the various authorities under your administration to pay for the restoration of the hundreds of religious structures destroyed. Why did the situation come to this?

Offstumped Rejoinder: There is a legitimate Constitutional question on this on tax payer money being spent on religious structures. Let the Supreme Court appeal be settled. After all no compensation was paid for structures that were damaged or destroyed in the 2001 earthquake or during the terror attack on the Akshardham temple in Gandhinagar in 2003.

Question #22 – What is your take on the high court blaming the 2002 riots on the “negligence of the state”?

Offstumped Rejoinder: The Srikrishna Commission Report on 1993 riots brilliantly highlighted how underlying the autopsy of every riot is a story of decades of systemic reform not undertaken. The High Court’s comments must be seen in this light.

The Truth of 2002 that thousands died is undeniable. The Truth of 2002 also is that the scale of violence overwhelmed a rickety Law and Order infrastructure in a manner no different from every other major riot in India.

Often we make the mistake of judging Governments from the perspective of events. Our public memory is short and our attention span limited to narrow episodes. We take Institution Building for granted. We grossly understate the effort it takes to build an Institution. We routinely overstate the lack of systemic reforms. Most often than not, we are too lazy to appreciate the considerable span of time it takes for meaningful systemic reforms to take root.

The decade of peace in Gujarat is the outcome of a decade of investment in making sure the Law and Order Infrastructure works all the time, every time.

It is with this decade long time span as the yardstick that we must judge the Governance in Gujarat and its Chief Minister Narendra Modi and not through the narrow prism of a single episodic event barely six months in to his first ever political office and 10 days after he won his first ever election.

On May 4th 2006 the Indian Express carried an interesting story out of Vadodara titled “Gujarat of 2006 versus Gujarat 2002”. The thrust of the story was on the Congress’ political response to events of the day but the story grudgingly acknowledged what had changed between 2002 and 2006. To enumerate that change may be in order as we mark the 10th anniversary of the 2002 riots.

The Indian Express grudgingly acknowledged that

  • the Chief Minister Narendra Modi was “quick on his feet”
  • the Chief Minister personally visited the affected area
  • the Chief Minister made it clear nobody would be allowed to subvert the law
  • 13 paramilitary troop companies—nine deployed in Vadodara and four in Ahmedabad—have been drawn from the Rapid Action Force (RAF), CRPF and BSF
  • the Army put three columns from its Vadodara-based air defence brigade and another from Gandhinagar on flag march duty
  • Four columns, consisting of about 250 troops made  a peaceful flag march through the sensitive parts of Vadodara in a 10-vehicle convoy of jeep
  • Two more columns of the Army have been pressed in to assist the civil administration and Gujarat police

We can go on and on about anti-Muslim prejudice and refusal to engage critics.

Truth is the bulwark of Justice and a necessary pre-condition for Reconciliation.

The Truth of 2002 is there was no political conspiracy or orchestration by the Chief Minister.

Recognition of this Truth will hopefully advance the process of Justice later this month in one Trial Court.

A larger recognition of this Truth within our public discourse will make this less about Retribution and more about Justice paving the way for engagement and reconciliation.

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41 Responses

  1. Prashant says:

    Excellent rejoinder!

    All the baseless questions by Outlook have been countered well by the writer.

  2. Communal Award says:

    Gujarat is developing due to globalization viz FDI/FII/QIP/NRI/PIO investments.
    Modi’s contribution is nothing but religious bigotry.

  3. alfred says:

    the rejoinder looks attractive & a desperate Modi may even appoint you as his legal advisor.
    The case built is much on hearsay & one fact to rely upon is to whose convenience is this hearsay working the best !!
    Our brilliant Judicial System will weed out this malignant hearsay for sure !!…

  4. Dhananjay says:

    Shashi:

    Great answers. The dynasty sycophants at Outlook probably already know the answers to their Qs. Their objective is to fool the average Aam Admi & not to brainwash the already enlightened ones. As they say, you can wake up an asleep person but not those who pretend to be asleep.

    The tamasha of pseudo-seculars is in full force keeping UP elections in mind. If & when NDA comes to power, BJP needs to systematically destroy the pseudo-secs once & for all legal means with CBI raids & expose them for all their financial shenanigans.

  5. The writer is such a conservative bigot that he bends over backwards to defend Modi and his administration. Even if his so called ‘rejoinder’ to Q.16 is read in isolation, one can fathom the level of communal sentiment running deep inside.

  6. Mimaniya says:

    A brilliant facts based rejoinder that clinically exposes the case built by these questions that just peddle hearsay and personal prejudices while completely giving a short shrift to facts.

    Mr CriticalConcept above is a perfect example of people who have no response other than to indulge in vicious name calling against anyone who dares to expose the lies of anti-NaMo industry

  7. P. Venkat says:

    Brilliant. A truthful rejoinder to Outlook

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  9. This rejoinder will be pointless unless Outlook and organizations such as Communalism Combat, NDTV, CNN-IBN, etc. take notice and respond to this rejoinder. To whom it may concern: Force these organizations to respond to this rejoinder.

  10. This is precisely the way Pakistan wriggles out of every charge of Terrorism…

  11. Brilliant Piece…precisely what the Pakistani dish out everytime on 26/11

  12. fchiramel says:

    So Offstumped, aka Shashi Shekhar, toils on to justify the most gruesome state supported butchering of innocent victims of the 21st century.

    As somebody who frequently throws out “Goebbelsian” at others, Shashi is a good student of the master himself – with selective quoting, trial lawyeristic arguments and outright denial of widely accepted facts. He believes that with the vast trove of the internet at his disposal, out of which hat he is very good at pulling out tricks and convenient data, he can change reality as happened.

    As somebody above mentioned, this is the same approach the Pakistani establishment uses to deny its hand in every terrorist attack in India and the world. Despite the cleverness of their arguments, we all know where that has led to Pakistan’s perception in the world. Thankfully, Narendra Modi is also going to end up in the wastebasket of history – and in prison.

    That said, this line of argument still takes the cake (and the bakery):

    “There is no factual basis to establish a cause-effect relationship between the transport of dead bodies to Ahmedabad and the violence of the 28thFeb…. Hindsight is always 20/20 and correlation is not causation. “

    In the above, Shashi employs a few tired rhetorical clichés and invites us to suspend reality and argues there isn’t sufficient empirical peer-reviewed research that has connected the parading of 58 dead bodies in a communally explosive situation – in a community with a long history of violent communal conflicts – to the violence that took place!

    For very Goebbels that existed, there was an MK Gandhi who believed: When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible – in the end, they always fall- think of it, always!”

    For fair, neutral reporting on the 2002 Gujarat riots – from somebody without any stake in India’s political outcomes – here is the New York City based Human Rights Watch report on what Modi’s administration was (not) doing -:
    “We have no orders to save you”
    http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2002/india/gujarat.pdf

  13. Dhananjay says:

    Shashi:

    Again, greatly appreciate tremendous research & efforts that went in to writing this rejoinder.

    - Dhananjay

  14. dinipcDinipc says:

    This is simply an exceptional effort – digging up so much data. Hats off, OffStunped!

  15. Srinivas says:

    Look at the expectation of these congress/sicular [DELETED] like fchiramel. 58 Hindus have been burnt by a Jehadi mob. Quick let us hush it up, lest people react against the jehadis. Let us quickly dispose off the bodies in some garbage dump and claim that nobody died. Modi must be Hitler for actually doing the right thing, and actually doing the right thing and sending them back to their relatives in Ahmedabad. In the interests of sicularism, all the Jehadi crimes on Hindus should be hushed up, like Kashmir, like pakistan, like Bangladesh. Quick, quick let us dispose off the bodies.

    [DELETED]

  16. Anti Modi industry is in full swing.Today, TOI, Ahemedabad edition has a screaming,front page headline about ACTION-REACTION-INACTION related to 2002! This is dated 27.2.2012.TOI is running full page stories from this ancient past, while GUjaratis have moved along.These things will go on till the dust of elections of 2014 are settled.
    Those who are opposed to Modi becoming PM have only this single issue.No corruption,no mismanagement, no incompetence, no non communication on the positives.When whole world is taking note of Gujarat and its leadership, this small crowd can do only this much.As Dhananjay has mentioned above, this Tamasha can best be ignored.Modi is doing exactly this.As stated by him on so many ocassions, he would not be able to do anything else, if he tried to ANSWER this criticism.Because his answers will invite fresh crticism.
    Media also is being dishonest to their profession.Instead of informing the public about massive corruption, inaptitude and sloth of Congress and UPA II,they are busy flogging an old horse.Their screams get only yawns and more yawns even from muslims in Gujarat.Ask ordinary muslim in the street.

  17. Communal Award says:

    Scotland Yard investigation will be objective and reveal the truth behind Godhra massacre. e.g.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Benazir_Bhutto

  18. Jai71 says:

    on the Question #4: Are the answers recorded “verbatim” responses?
    I suspect there could be a simple explanation to Bhatts name appearing in the response only?

    Thanks,
    Jai

  19. appap says:

    at time of partition resultant of political decision by all incl nehru gandhiji and all others thosands of communities died due feelings of hurt and vengence?
    what did we do then-reconsiled and gave those making decision to rule the country?
    why is 2002 so different?

  20. Navin Chand Gupta says:

    Issue has been kept alive for a decade. Babri Maszid issue is alive for several decades and even after it’s demolition, Allahabad High court judgment and the understanding reached between the judiciary, executive in the period of President Honorable Dr. S.D.Sharma we hardly know when this issue will be settled. See in UP election how issue of Muslim votes
    has been handled by the power hungry ministers and other political parties. After 64 years we have not been able to find
    solution for Muslim/Hindu Communities to live in harmony and peace. This is written fate of India with no blame to any community. I can hardly comment on Modi ji’s fate at the hands
    of his well wishers and detractors. But he is certainly a capable Leader and blocking him to lead India and Indians stand to lose a very capable leader of proven worth. I prey God to take care of him and the countrymen.

  21. Ken says:

    Outlook is a left-wing garbage, from a known Kangressi.
    Times of India is under the pocket of SOnia clan. Hindustan Times, well the Birlas were always favored by the Indira clan against the better, smarter Tatas…and they paid back the favor with checkbooks and now with their news outlet. And Indian Express is not the independent newspaper that it was under Ramnath Goenka and Arun Shourie. So, it is a time of a totally SHI**Y media – vs a no-nonsence, honest, and most calable Indian politician Mr. N Modi. All paid for by the Italian mafia for the Sonia clan.

  22. ND Patel says:

    I think Godhra 2002 proved to be a blessing for minority community in Gujarat. Today, youngsters earn lively hood with dignity & respect rather than dreaming to become DONS/ Mafias….
    Today Banks in Gujarat have more no. of accounts of minorities than any other state in India. A step further, for the first time in 50 years, BJP won by-election in Kathlal constituency in Ahmedabad District where minority community has majority.

    Today, Gujarat accounts for 22% of total exports of the country and achieved double digit growth in Agriculture & industry since last 5 consecutive years. Above all, investments made in Vibrant Gujarat investors summits are all prepared to bear the fruits. Its time to reap.

    But one needs unbiased eyes to see this progress

    Rest is very simple as said by lord krishna to Arjun “Adharm to sahan karna bhi ek pap hai”. You can’t keep standing on receiving end and let any tom, dick and harry stab you. Sometime you have to react and give “Check”. What happened, was a need of hour, which has benefited both, Hindus and Muslims. Since, last 10 years, no incidence of even stone pelting is recorded during rath yatras. This is what the duty of Raja is. He is performing his duties well.

    At times local congress leaders raises corruption charges against modi government (Probably because they dont know the amount of 2G scam and the real reason of sonia’s visit to foreign under the cover of medical treatment). With my all common sense, I know Modi was having more rebels in his own house (BJP) rather then outside including media & congress till 2007 elections.

    If he was indulged into any such corruption practices, his own fellows would have brought the truth to world. His non- corrupt government also won the 2nd award for public governance from UNO, the certificate which no media has time to print. Its hanging in the CM office. If you believe, wikileaks has also revealed that Gujarat has non-corrupt Government.

    Its now for India to decide and ractify the mistake we made 60 years ago by rejection Sardar Patel as Prime Minister and selecting flamboyant Nehru. A mistake, we are paying heavily today. Good know, what amount of money Gandhis have in swiss banks…..

    Jai Hind.

  23. patel k says:

    vande mataram! wake up all indians, now day to wake your true leaders, who is working , without money lundering, many question till date for indian administration, why corrupted leader till outside moving, why black money till not come back to india, why people have murdercharges till go standing in polling !!! no such quality system implimented to indian governence department to maintain law and order firtst situation first from them , so people of india may be trust on u, why we all india think we are sevent and who is employed government servent are our boss, all department must go regular for serve for india, and indian people , indian citizen, now day to indian people to ask to all this leader and party to give answer for developent for last 60 years whay there role to develop, they want regular salary , highter income , daily increment why they all must not implement there regular work stastic to improvement for indian people, only money is the goal of government macinery who are sitting and who are try to electing, some body doing good jobs, then some body destroy them , chalta hai sab india me, last 60 years such many state , basic need not fulfil to people, half of people of india not get one time water, electricity, rod connectivity, even basic need for food, shelter, cloth, who is responsible for this situation, we all thought, before all leader who are in postion, who are get position , or may try to get position, yaha flower ke chadar pe sona nahi hai, kanto pe chalna hai usi ko entry hai, india me hamari yahi mag hai ,, who is come for real work , for indian people must to come forward, we dont need , corrupted ugly, selfish, leaders, government, who have no sight to develop india,,, vande mataram!!!

  24. alkesh2907 says:

    It is very much regrettable and disgusting that the pro-minority communal media is not ready in any way for the reconciliation between the communities by mentioning ‘Gujarat 2002′ every now and than. The fact is their ‘secularism’ is in fact one sided “communalism”. They should understand that if you go on bashing the majority all the time, it will NEVER help to bring peace. सेक्युलारिझम के नाम पे बहुमती को ईतना ज्यादा बेईज्जत करते रहेने से आप समुदायों के बीच फासला बढा रहे हो ये मीडिया को समजने की जरूरत है. और एक बात, कांग्रेस सबसे बडा खतरा है ईस देश के लिये, और मीडिया उसे सपोर्ट करके देश का ही नुकसान कर रहा है…

  25. Communal Award says:

    Congress & BJP are partners in crime/corruption.

    Congress regime ‘failed’ to prosecute/punish Babri/Godhra killers.
    BJP regime ‘failed’ to prosecute/punish 1984 Sikh killers.

    Congress regime ‘failed’ to prosecute/punish Dawood.
    BJP regime ‘failed’ to prosecute/punish Quattrocchi.

    Both parties are protecting black money hoarders in foreign banks.

    (goo DOT gl/NFK0A)

  26. LOKARANJAN GUHA says:

    UNSUBSCRIBE ME IMMEDIATELY

  27. Faiz says:

    Shameless fellow writing an article on a Maut ka Saudagar… All that I would want you to remember and your boss Modi to remember is Ariel Sharon.. He was one of the most dreadful leaders of Israel and as usual was a butcher for Muslims.. But Look what Allah Almighty made him today.. The pig can’t even eat or drink … God Willing Modi will meet a worse fate than that.. Keep Defending the Butcher!! Maut Ka Saudagar!!

  28. Vinay says:

    I wondered earlier how people in Germany during 1930 till the Hitler fall praise the Nazi regime,now i got my answer Shashi Shekhar ur a history scholar & please be honest with ur profession.Ur talking of credibility of Sanjeev Bhatt? I can raise the same question against “Great Narendra Modi” the propoganda expert that how credible is he really?By bending the facts according to ur intellect will not hide the fact that this is not political matter.There were renowned NGO’s,social activist fighting for the riot victims for last 10 years for only one thing justice,who will give them justice??
    Or we can say we have to move on after every crime because time will heal everything.If in future anything happens like this we assume that there will be no justice as time will heal everything we just have to move on.i am feeling very sorry tfor u after reading this article.

  29. amit says:

    @vinay
    feel pity for ppl whose hope for justice is a thug like bhatt who himslf is facing sevral cases of murders/torture(pre-modi period) n corruption. n this guy is giving us lecture on human rights n justice.hope now, u wud nt call NHRC as a stooge of modi, who has found bhatt was involved in framing ppl in serious crime by planting narcotics..a person with such a “proven” crimnal record dsnt have any credibility either in eyes of law or in d eyes of an unbiased 3rd person…today, he talks abt no justice in guj 4 10 yrs n all dat n feel ashamed of dat, bt den he was working under modi for 10 yrs n den he didnt hav any shame..wht prevented him 4m resigning 4m his service immedtly on d night of 27th feb(if his thuggery has any truth) n telling d whole world wht hppnd in d meeting..wht prevented him 4m informing his boss about this meeting in normal course…dangerous crimnals like bhatt r best suited to spend rest of der life in solitary confinement of gandhinagar jail

  30. Lion says:

    Let us see things in totality:

    1) What is the status of Kashmiri Hindus?

    2) What is the status of Hindus in Pakistan? In 1947 they were about 16%. How many are they now? 1.3% Refer Wiki. and http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/genocide.html

    3) Muslims in India accounted for 9.9% of India’s total population in 1951, 10.8% in 1971, 11.3% in 1981, 12.1% in 1991. (CENSUS FIGURES – ACTUAL FIGURE HIGHER).

    4) What is the status of Anti-Sikh riots in Delhi? What role did Media play?

    5) There is no denying that there was widespread public involvement in 2002 riots. Why blame only Modi? Blame all Gujarat.

    6) Which Muslim leader condemned burning of Hindus in train? Did Soniya Gandhi or any congress leader utter a word for the Hindus?

    7) Who is Gandhi family?
    Indira Gandhi married to Feroze Khan. Feroze Khan’s father, Nawab Khan, was a Muslim, and mother was a Persian Muslim.
    Mahatma Gandhi intervened and adopted Feroze Khan, gave him his last name Gandhi, to make things easy.

    8) Real Gandhi Vs. Fake Gandhi.
    See the difference between heirs of Mahatma Gandhi and fake Gandhis in power. Heirs of Mahatma Gandhi never tried to exploit the name, the fake Gandhis never let go of any opportunity to exploit the name.

    9) In this context, the Congress, separatist Muslims and enemies of India, behind anti-Modi campaign since they are threatened by the rise of Modi. None in the current political leadership across India can compare to Narendra Modi’s character, honesty, courage, dedication and vision for the well-being of India.

    Modi is coming to Delhi soon. Do whatever you can to stop him. This is an open challenge, to those in hiding.

  31. save_internet says:

    well, it appears sandeep dougal has a real sense of humour..just try question 3.

    he says both pandya n bhatt has made an allegation about meeting n instructions given in it..

    Now, as per bhatt testimony, all of d officials confirmed by mr. modi n others present in d meeting plus “himself” was present. bhatt also confimed no cabinet minister was present in d meeting.(refer tehelka)

    Now, this is wht pandya has to say abt d meeting as per tribunal report”

    “The tribunal received direct information through a testimony from a highly placed source of a meeting (on February 27, 2002) where the CM, two or three senior cabinet colleagues, the Ahmedabad police commissioner and an IG police were present. The meeting had a singular purpose: the senior-most police officials were told that they should expect a “Hindu reaction” after Godhra. They were also told they should not do anything to contain this reaction,” the tribunal noted in the report referring to Pandya’s testimony.

    Now, mr dougal will u answer dat whn u want pandya statemnt at face value sud b assume cabniet misnters were also present-which is contradicted by bhatt(who claims to be present there :)..please make ur mind whthr u want 2 blve bhatt or pandya alleged stamnt n den perhaps u wil reach 2 truth bit closer

  32. gautam says:

    Unfortunately muslims are just a vote bank for most parties. Can we talk of uplifting all poor in India. Come on…if Modi is ineffective to control riots, he has done good for all his state people inluding muslims. I am concerned about eradicating poverty, bringing development etc. Not developing the poor is a bigger crime because generations suffer. having said that taking a life is not justifiable at all and I am also saying calling modi a killer is also not correct. Is there space for a moderate view in all of this debate. my prayers for all those who died in Godhra and in the later riots both communities and my sympathies for all extreme views. Give courts a chance and Modi to defend himself.

  33. Communal Award says:

    British gave independence to Christians/Anglo-Indians/Sikh/SC/ST communities in 4th August 1932 Round Table Conference.
    Gandhi begged British to not implement “Communal Award” to promote Forward caste hegemony in India.

    As per “Communal Award” take your caste share of land FC(5-15%), BC(50%), SC/ST/Minorities(35-45%) and go build your own nation.
    Your future generations will prosper (e.g former USSR republics).

    (goo DOT gl/NFK0A)

  34. Shirish Dave says:

    Pro-Nehruvian Congress and paid pseudo secu columnists want to celebrate 2002 riot every year and on every reference. It is their bread and butter. Narendra Modi is highly popular, but the Anti-Modi-s want that Modi’s popularity should be prevented from spreading in other states. That is why they want the Fire of hatred should always prevail at any cost to the nation.

  35. FortuneCookie says:

    Three people who disliked offstumped rejoinder and others who are presenting the facts are:
    Sundeep Dougal (Outlook web editor…Yawn!!!)
    Shivam Vij (Kafila) and
    Teesta Setalvad

  36. dineshC says:

    Firangi nations want to rule all nonfirangi countries. they funded and tried to brain wash Al Qayeda and other terrorist organizations in their early days in Arab countries. Now they are making them slaves, kuwait, Iraq, Libya, Syria, iran. Rest have already surrendered.. they use firangi media for false and cooked stories and Human Rights group effectively for their bashing purposes. Here in India they have created naxals and other tribal terrorist groups by funding, brainwashing and providing arms and ammunition. If we do not retaliate they will do to us what they are doing to Arab nations.
    Al Qayeda has harmed (attacked) us in many ways so it is our enemy, . And we should deal with it like so. But I also have some other theory. Initially it was funded by firangi nations but could not be fully brainwashed. Al Qayeda people were dissatisfied with their Govts, may be some other reason also but they were definitely not traitors. when Al Qayeda sniffed real intentions of the firangi nations it retaliated fiercely in a manner in which a weaker patriot could have done against a stronger intruders.
    How firangi nations use firangi media and human rights associations is anybody’s guess. here in India all big well known media houses are controlled by firangies, barring Indian express group. Now you see what they did to IE group. Two of its owners have been in jail recently and its readership has dropped drastically. Firangies can go to any extent to achieve their goal even a massacre in a hospital. now they have started grabbing regional media as well for bashing of nonkangres state Govts- 24/7. Should we still remain in lull?

  37. dineshC says:

    A befitting reply to Duggol. Keep it up OFF-STUMPED. Modi is standing like a rock against their ill propaganda and it needs a lion’s heart to do so.
    .Is sickulars’ modi bashing their main aim or they are trying to hide their main heinous intentions behind this. (see my earlier post)

  38. Communal Award says:

    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/State_religion

    Hinduism is not the state religion of India.
    BJP supporters should go to Nepal (Hindu nation).

    Or you can take your caste share of land as per “Communal Award” and build your own nation.

    http://goo.gl/NFK0A

  39. Rahul says:

    PLEASE PLEASE READ AND SPRED ANSWERS by http://www.gujaratriots.com to these 25 questions. http://www.gujaratriots.com/214/answers-to-outlooks-25-questions/ PLEASE GIVE THEM TO OUTLOOK AND DARE THEM TO PUBLISH THEM.

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  41. […] we are answering ALL Of the questions raised. (Some of the points in the answers are taken from OFFSTUMPED’s rebuttal to Outlook, because they are very genuine. Anyone can write any rejoinder to anyone, but we have taken only […]

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